Trade hitting for pitching?

tomm0  4/21/2013 2:10 PM

A few teams out there looking for power.  My team is middle of the pack so far, but figured I could use another front of the rotation type starter.  I have been dangling Morse, but the owner of Bum, Shields, Latos, and Moore wants Bruce.  I know how streaky Bruce could be and it's just a matter of time before he starts hitting some bombs, but should I consider moving him factoring in my OF depth?  

12 Teams | 12 Hitters Per Team $170 Per Team [6 Active = HR RBI SB R BA OPS] | 8 Pitchers Per Team $90 Per Team [6 Active = W SV ERA WHIP SO QS]

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
		2	14	0.93	0.00		Butler, Billy		KC	1B	144		557	83	173	101	50	95	0.310	24	2	0.877	0.69	2.08	-0.91	0.89	1.80	1.02
		2	20	0.62	0.00		Gordon, Alex		KC	OF	141		575	94	173	71	66	125	0.300	17	13	0.858	-0.26	0.15	0.13	1.80	1.22	0.71
		2	23	0.55	0.00		Longoria, Evan		TB	3B	135		490	75	137	91	58	103	0.280	29	4	0.885	1.31	1.42	-0.67	0.27	-0.07	1.02
		3	27	0.51	0.00		Heyward, Jason		ATL	OF	136		538	89	147	71	62	130	0.274	26	18	0.844	0.99	0.12	0.57	1.42	-0.44	0.42
		3	31	0.39	0.00		Goldschmidt, Paul		ARI	1B	131		467	70	133	79	57	126	0.285	22	15	0.873	0.42	0.69	0.32	-0.07	0.20	0.80
		3	32	0.36	0.00		Fowler, Dexter		COL	OF	126		508	93	145	57	73	137	0.285	18	14	0.869	-0.10	-0.73	0.23	1.74	0.22	0.80
		4	37	0.29	0.00		Bruce, Jay		CIN	OF	138		488	72	128	83	57	130	0.262	30	7	0.864	1.51	0.95	-0.41	0.04	-1.06	0.69
		4	48	0.09	0.00		Morse, Michael		SEA	OF	123		465	61	137	78	26	108	0.295	24	1	0.848	0.63	0.59	-1.03	-0.77	0.72	0.42
		6	63	-0.06	0.00		de Aza, Alejandro		CHW	OF	136		569	81	162	54	50	116	0.285	10	29	0.772	-1.18	-0.93	1.60	0.78	0.24	-0.86
		7	75	-0.21	0.00		Hill, Aaron		ARI	2B	103		406	58	117	64	32	55	0.289	16	10	0.839	-0.34	-0.32	-0.16	-1.03	0.36	0.25
		7	84	-0.25	0.00		Ramirez, Hanley		LAD	SS/3B	105		421	69	117	49	47	87	0.277	16	18	0.813	-0.34	-1.25	0.58	-0.18	-0.20	-0.08
		9	99	-0.40	0.00		Rutledge, Josh		COL	SS	123		525	71	144	62	22	109	0.275	14	12	0.758	-0.59	-0.45	0.07	-0.01	-0.37	-1.02
		9	106	-0.43	0.00		Aybar, Erick		LAA	SS	120		506	69	143	59	24	58	0.283	9	20	0.737	-1.36	-0.63	0.80	-0.15	0.10	-1.33
		14	158	-0.92	0.00		Johnson, Kelly		TB	2B	131		379	53	94	48	44	116	0.249	14	11	0.759	-0.60	-1.34	-0.07	-1.38	-1.38	-0.73
		18	216	-1.29	0.00		Arencibia, JP		TOR	C	108		363	43	83	47	22	109	0.230	19	1	0.725	0.08	-1.44	-1.00	-2.20	-2.10	-1.09
		22	254	-1.55	0.00		Gattis, Evan		ATL	C	53		190	25	49	28	18	40	0.259	9	0	0.789	-1.30	-2.64	-1.07	-3.60	-0.48	-0.19
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
				-1.17	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				1954		7,447	1,107	2,084	1,042	708	1,643	0.280	298	176	0.827	-0.47	-3.73	-1.03	-2.46	-1.23	1.90
				-1.20	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				1465		5,481	813	1,514	784	545	1,265	0.276	233	124	0.832	0.86	-2.60	-1.50	-3.15	-3.07	2.24

mbuser   4/21/2013 4:58 PM

If you want to get something, you have to give something. Bruce for that type of SP sounds about right.

tomm0  4/21/2013 7:37 PM

Bruce and Beckett for Shields and Espinosa is on the table right now.  I don't really love Espinosa though and I don't want to go too crazy getting MI because once Hill and Aybar are back I'll have too many.

mbuser   4/21/2013 11:52 PM

I'd stick to the 1-for-1 and get what you need.

liam4  4/22/2013 10:07 AM

Looking at value in my league (which doesn't use OPS), Jennings is a little better but addition of OPS should reverse that.  I think they're .100 apart on OPS.  So I'd probably pass, even though Bruce has started slow.

One note -- Jay Bruce has a higher perceived value in most leagues (Yahoo O Rank 38, vs Jennings 74, and that doesn't even include the OPS edge).  So if you're still looking for a pitcher, he may be a better chip once he turns it around.

tomm0  4/22/2013 10:19 AM

Thanks Liam.  What would be your opinion on Bruce for Shields?

liam4  4/23/2013 10:53 AM

We have slightly different settings (don't have QS or OPS), but I think it seems like a fair trade.  Significant upgrade for you at pitching, and you trade an OF who is your fourth best.  From a strict baseballmonster value perspective, it's tough to compare pitching for hitting, but seems like an upgrade.

Shields has been great so far this season.  Some experts were predicting he'd struggle in KC, saying that TB had great fielding and a favorable park, but it hasn't shown yet.

This article on Yahoo last week mentions Shields at the very bottom, and also shows that his velocity is actually up this April.  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/pitching-by-the-numbers--speed-reading-164607775.html;_ylt=AphGdxhD6UlGu7Li52QwAi25bZ8u

tomm0  4/28/2013 10:05 PM

Still can't make a decision on the Bruce for Shields deal