Punt Dollars

cbrook824  3/8/2014 7:02 PM

I think that Punt $ would be a good display column option. A use case for this would be to see how much a player is worth if punting certain categories. This value can already be calculated by turning off punted categories in League Settings and looking at "League $", but is not visible if those categories are set to punt.

ken_admin  3/9/2014 9:41 AM

When you punt categories, the $ value will be without those punted categories, and the League$ will be with punted categories. I think I'm confused on what you want Punt $ to show.

cbrook824  3/12/2014 11:54 AM

I would think that a punted $ value would be how much a player is worth if you are punting. For example, lets say that Jay Bruce is worth $30 in a standard 12 team yahoo 5x5. If you are punting BA, his value would most likely go up to $35+ for a player that is punting BA, but his league value should still be the $30. $ doesn't show this type of value at the moment. Am I wrong?

mbuser   3/12/2014 12:03 PM

The $ value does reflect your punt strategy. When you punt, you use the $ column and the League$ is what displays the value within your league with no categories punted.

cbrook824  3/12/2014 12:49 PM

Maybe there is an element of user error on my part, but when I select to punt a category it lowers almost everyone's $.

For instance, I changed 5x5 scoring to 4x5 (removed BA) using your site projections. Paul Goldschmidt goes from 1.25 LeagV to 1.27 PuntV, but his dollar value goes from $39 League $ to $34 punt $. This correlation doesn't make sense to me. I also noticed that if you disable BA and remove it as a league category altogether, he goes to 1.24 Value and $36. 

Wouldn't punt value be equal to league value if the league discluded the punted category? Like, in the example of fantasy basketball wouldn't  Dwight Howard be worth the same amount in a league that doesn't include FT as a category, as a team punting FT in a standard 9cat league?

ken_admin  3/12/2014 2:14 PM

When you punt a category, we still use the same player pool to calculate the player values and dollar values. When you punt, the League Value will be the same as the previous un-punted value (same with $). Does that match what you're seeing?

silentjim   3/12/2014 2:54 PM

To emphasize Ken's point, when you punt a cat and when you don't actually have a cat are two different things. When you punt a category you're still looking at the same player pool as if FT% was a category, but players values are shifted in that pool of 156 (12 teams by 13 players). When FT% isn't a category at all, then the pool of 156 players is completely different (or the bottom of it is anyway) as a few players with poor FT% who weren't part of the original 156 player pool are now and vice versa. Z scores are always based on a player pool and if you change the cats, not punt them, then you change the player pool, which effects overall value.

To go back to your Goldy comment. You're thinking properly, but you also need to look further than just one example. As you move down the list and get into later rounds you'll notice that the dollar values ($) for your players will actually start to increase and be greater than your non punting's team values (Leag$). Giancarlo Stanton for example is the first guy I notice. What this means is that typically most first round players are 5 cat players. And when you remove one of those cats their value actually decreases because you're taking away 1/5th of their actual value (guessing of course could be more or less depending on how balanced they are across those 5 cats).

To me, this tells me that if I'm really looking to punt BA in a league, then I'm probably hoping that I don't get an early pick in the draft, because you'd end up initially giving up more value in guys like Miggy, Trout, McCutcheon, etc until you hit Chris Davis range.

cbrook824  3/13/2014 5:35 PM

This makes sense, I hadn't considered player pool. Thanks Ken, Mat and Jim.