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avatarliam4  3/13/2014 11:40 AM

I am thinking of joining an auction draft Yahoo pro league... figure auction draft allows me to pursue my studs and undervalued BBM players strategy.

It's less straightforward than basketballmonster given the division between hitters and pitchers; in projecting dollar values, how much would you allocate to hitters vs pitchers?  standard yahoo settings.  Out of $260 budget, I'm thinking 160 to hitters, 100 to pitchers, just for projecting values.  Thoughts?  Thanks!


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avatarken_admin  3/13/2014 12:01 PM

A 160/100 split is typical and tends to be close to average auction values. When setting your hitter and pitcher counts, I would use the active counts and not include bench players.


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avatarliam4  3/13/2014 1:00 PM

Thanks Ken.

Any suggestion on how to use positional dollars in the course of an auction?  I just did an auction mock using draft tracker, and was somewhat puzzled by the positional $ it was showing.  Ended up eyeballing up and down on regular dollar value based on scarcity.

Additionally, how does the hitter / pitcher $ split come into play on dollar values?  Is it in positional, or in regular values?


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avatarrwthompson82  3/13/2014 1:33 PM

I did a 12 team auction draft on Tuesday night, and I think the 160/100 split was pretty accurate.  Although I think this would vary depending on your draft room.  After looking at some values, I think my draft room was going off of a 165/95 with 9 hitters and 8 pitchers active.

You may be able to guess what this is after 10-12 hitters and 8-10 pitchers have been drafted and adjust your league settings in the draft.

 


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avatarken_admin  3/13/2014 1:33 PM

The Positional Dollars are not intended to be used for making exact bids, but it's there to show the scarcity of positions. It would probably make more sense to view the Positional Values, but many users associate value as dollars and not numbers. The normal dollar values will give you a true value of the player regardless of position.

When designating hitters and pitchers dollar values, we distribute that amount to the Top Players in your league (ex. # teams x hitters for hitters). 


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avatartomm0  3/13/2014 1:39 PM

Hey guys, I wasn't sure if I should create my own topic about this or just jump in the conversion, but I am the commish of a new 12 team 6x6 roto league with auction draft.  We start 13 hitters and 9 pitchers with 5 bench players (27 total) compared to the Yahoo default of 23 total players.  Yahoo's default auction budget is $260 and the projected values in the draft room are based on their default settings.  

Do you guys think I should consider bumping the budget up a bit to make those projected values more relevant?  For a few owners this will be their first auction so I am sure they will be relying on those numbers. Simple math says to keep the ratio the same I should bump the budget up to $305 which I think is a little drastic, but I was considering $280.  Any thoughts?


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avatarliam4  3/14/2014 12:55 PM

tomm, I would support $305, but that's just gut, not scientific.

I'm still developing my auction league strategy.  In its current form, I plan to try to buy Trout and Cabrera at ~$60-65, and Kershaw if he's at $46 or target Cliff Lee and another in his tier.  Then fill in around that with undervalued players using BBM.  With Trout and Cabrera so far separated from the rest of the hitters, think they're undervalued in auction drafts -- similar to Durant/LeBron in basketball.  There's a dramatic value dropoff from them to Goldschmidt and McCutchen, but it's not figured in.


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avatartomm0  3/14/2014 1:55 PM

It could work, but you'd be spending about $170 on three players (if we assume $65, $65, and $40) leaving $90 to fill out 20 roster spots (assuming standard sized league).  That's $4.5 per spot and as good as those three would be you would have to hope that a high percentage of these value plays work out for you.  If, god forbid, anything happened to one of those three your season would most likely be over.  

There are so many different ways to approach auction drafts, but this specific approach seems like you'd be heavily banking on every BBM value play being correct.  As good as BBM is, every site will have it's hits and misses on players.  Risky approach, but I would definitely be curious to see how your team would shape up.  Auction mocks are difficult because all it takes is one guy on auto-pick to throw everything off, but have you tried this approach in a mock?

Might be a better approach to grab Miggy and Trout and go cheaper at pitcher just so you have some more money to fill out the rest of the team.  This entire approach would also be very boring for you, because you'll have to wait for about 2 hours until you could start bidding on some players again.  

I've only done one auction before, so it's not like I'm an expert, however I enjoyed having some extra money towards the end while everyone else could only bid $1 because I got a lot of quality players for $2 or $3.  It seemed like everyone was overpaying for the top guys early, but all auctions are different.


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avatarliam4  3/15/2014 7:15 AM

Here's my thought -- assume $1 for bench, RP, you now have $81 for 11.

does turn on being able to get the undervalued players.  Hitters, I want Daniel Murphy, hill, abreu, seager, rosario, and have a couple splurge players like a SS and maybe a Beltran.

pitchers, I want Kershaw or two top 10s, not much value buys in the next 20.  But otherwise target fister, Corbin, Lynn, Estrada, etc.

you are right this is very aggressive, and a more measured strategy would be to make sure you get either trout or Cabrera.  But I do think those guys are a linchpin and undervalued, and it is challenging to win without them if their owners know what they are doing.  They should be going for $70-80.


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