What to do, who to sell on!?

mmcc1029  5/16/2014 11:19 PM

I've got got several waiver wonders and over performers along with some nice depth about to come back....mesoraco today, kipnis and calhoun shortly. My pitching needs work but my league has been stingy on trading pitchers. I want to get another true ace. Who should I be packaging to maximize my depth?

12 Teams | 12 Hitters Per Team [6 Active = HR RBI SB R BA OBP] | 12 Pitchers Per Team [6 Active = W SV ERA WHIP SO QS]

Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OBP	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OBPV
2	13	0.79	Mauer, Joe		MIN	C/1B	111		422	67	132	54	62	80	0.314	9	2	0.402	-0.73	0.26	-0.77	1.24	2.27	2.50
2	16	0.75	Gonzalez, Carlos		COL	OF	101		392	64	111	63	39	99	0.284	21	17	0.350	1.29	1.00	0.75	0.93	0.41	0.15
2	24	0.59	Donaldson, Josh		OAK	3B	112		427	65	119	70	47	84	0.279	18	4	0.357	0.77	1.58	-0.50	1.04	0.18	0.49
3	28	0.50	Puig, Yasiel		LAD	OF	102		407	65	114	51	40	95	0.281	18	10	0.360	0.83	0.05	0.13	1.08	0.29	0.59
3	35	0.38	Abreu, Jose		CHW	1B	101		385	58	103	63	37	91	0.268	24	2	0.348	1.88	1.02	-0.69	0.40	-0.44	0.10
4	48	0.12	Kipnis, Jason		CLE	2B	102		381	52	105	50	49	83	0.275	10	19	0.361	-0.57	-0.04	1.02	-0.24	-0.09	0.63
5	53	0.04	Dozier, Brian		MIN	2B	110		446	66	111	41	50	94	0.250	15	27	0.333	0.31	-0.79	1.79	1.19	-1.65	-0.63
5	56	0.00	Brantley, Michael		CLE	OF	114		408	49	116	55	32	42	0.285	9	16	0.340	-0.76	0.33	0.66	-0.47	0.52	-0.26
6	72	-0.16	Calhoun, Kole		LAA	OF	99		407	66	107	42	40	84	0.264	13	8	0.332	-0.01	-0.69	-0.17	1.20	-0.70	-0.58
8	86	-0.29	Blackmon, Charlie		COL	OF	89		370	51	106	40	23	62	0.288	8	10	0.338	-1.02	-0.89	0.12	-0.26	0.63	-0.30
8	92	-0.33	Davis, Rajai		DET	OF	94		323	39	88	36	20	64	0.272	6	38	0.325	-1.35	-1.25	2.96	-1.41	-0.19	-0.71
15	179	-0.89	Mesoraco, Devin		CIN	C	92		298	34	79	38	26	55	0.264	11	2	0.324	-0.43	-1.04	-0.74	-1.96	-0.51	-0.68
17	203	-1.11	Escobar, Alcides		KC	SS	119		362	34	93	33	18	53	0.258	4	22	0.298	-1.73	-1.46	1.25	-1.92	-0.93	-1.85
Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OBP	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OBPV
		0.44	Avg Stats/Total Values				1345		5,027	711	1,386	635	482	986	0.276	165	177	0.345	-1.50	-1.93	5.79	0.81	-0.21	-0.30
		1.37	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				1052		3,940	559	1,095	504	367	764	0.278	131	148	0.347	-0.49	-0.17	5.68	1.81	1.08	0.30

Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
1	7	1.04	Bumgarner, Madison		SF	SP	24		153.9	134	55	51	44	154	13	2.98	11	0	1.16	17	1.26	-0.50	1.78	1.11	1.54	1.05
3	33	0.32	Lynn, Lance		STL	SP	23		139.8	131	56	51	51	137	12	3.31	11	0	1.30	15	1.06	-0.50	0.59	-1.11	1.07	0.82
3	35	0.31	Ventura, Yordano		KC	SP	23		135.5	112	59	55	49	131	15	3.62	9	0	1.19	15	0.56	-0.50	-0.35	0.54	0.90	0.71
4	41	0.23	Samardzija, Jeff		CHC	SP	24		156.4	144	68	63	55	154	18	3.60	9	0	1.27	15	0.55	-0.50	-0.32	-0.70	1.54	0.79
5	50	0.14	Cobb, Alex		TB	SP	19		117.2	104	47	44	36	104	10	3.35	8	0	1.19	12	0.04	-0.50	0.39	0.44	0.10	0.36
6	65	-0.05	Chavez, Jesse		OAK	RP	20		121.9	116	54	49	37	108	14	3.65	9	0	1.26	12	0.40	-0.50	-0.40	-0.42	0.24	0.37
7	81	-0.18	Wood, Alex		ATL	SP/RP	23		82.8	78	30	28	24	81	7	2.99	6	0	1.23	8	-0.49	-0.50	0.93	-0.05	-0.53	-0.42
9	108	-0.40	Balfour, Grant		TB	RP	49		48.9	37	21	19	20	51	5	3.48	3	22	1.16	0	-1.65	1.93	0.03	0.36	-1.41	-1.68
10	119	-0.45	Stroman, Marcus		TOR	SP	16		95.9	92	44	41	32	87	12	3.84	7	0	1.29	9	-0.39	-0.50	-0.71	-0.61	-0.36	-0.13
13	153	-0.64	Shaw, Bryan		CLE	RP	49		49.0	42	19	17	18	44	3	3.20	3	10	1.22	0	-1.52	0.56	0.33	0.04	-1.59	-1.68
14	167	-0.69	Floyd, Gavin		ATL	SP	13		74.6	72	36	33	27	65	9	3.98	6	0	1.32	8	-0.72	-0.50	-0.78	-0.71	-1.00	-0.43
18	213	-0.81	Pomeranz, Drew		OAK	SP	21		80.5	73	41	38	38	72	9	4.22	6	0	1.39	8	-0.54	-0.50	-1.28	-1.34	-0.78	-0.43
Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
		-1.20	Avg Stats/Total Values				304		1,256.5	1,134	531	488	432	1,190	127	3.50	89	32	1.25	119	-1.45	-2.55	0.21	-2.44	-0.28	-0.66
		-2.73	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				191		610.7	562	271	249	224	566	64	3.67	45	32	1.29	52	-3.37	-0.03	-2.22	-3.78	-3.83	-3.15

gehrenberg   5/17/2014 2:12 AM

You have Kipnis coming back so I think Dozier would be a great player for you to move. I recently traded him for Anibal Sanchez so perhaps a trade like this would be available to you. 

ken_admin  5/17/2014 8:19 AM

Checking your league, it does look like SP are hard to find. The addition of QS make them more valuable than normal leagues. Assuming your team has been imported recently, it looks like decent hitters are available such as Victorino and Walker so trading Dozier would be simple since he can be replaced. If the other owners are stingy with their SP, you may need to target someone who's had a poor start like Zimmerman, Sanchez (as suggested below), Bailey, Minor, Cole, or Ryu (who should be back this week). I would avoid starters that don't help in WHIP like Gio Gonzalez, Verlander, Hamels, and Shields (and your guy Lynn).

mmcc1029  5/18/2014 2:11 PM

So I traded Cargo/Lynn for Cueto today. I know giving up Cargo seems like a lot, but I'm currently leading my league in runs/hr's/rbi and 2nd in stl's (of which he isn't doing lately since the knee flare up). Did I give up too much? I'll still have an OF of Puig/Brantley/Blackmon/Davis and can pick up someone like Pollack. I think this balances out my team a bit more. All Cargo gave me this week was 3 rbi and I'm winnng that 48 to 13 right now haha.
 

gehrenberg   5/18/2014 3:34 PM

Way too much you got destroyed in that trade IMO

mmcc1029  5/18/2014 4:11 PM

Based on what? Take out names and look at numbers and consider i've got a surplus of hitting and too many batters to play regularly. People won't trade for dozier's and blackmon's when an ace is involved. I can play the wire for offensive stat's, good pitchers are not out there.
 

mmcc1029  5/18/2014 4:12 PM

I've got calhoun coming back too.

liam4  5/19/2014 1:26 PM

I think Cargo should get you top twenty talent in your league.  While you can justify the trade given your hitter strength, in my mind you likely could have gotten a better pitcher than Cueto.  His numbers are ridiculous thus far but he's benefited in part from crazy BABIP against of .160, 99.5% runners left on base.  He'll be good but I'd rather have Scherzer, Darvish, Strasburg.  And Lynn has a decent value too.

That said, it sounds like you couldn't get people to part with their aces, so if you think it was the best trade you can make and it makes you better, then all for it.

jyang61107  5/19/2014 3:52 PM

This trade fails in both ROTO and H2H.  Should have been Cargo alone only if you think its fine.  I traded Cueto Stas and Rizzo for Miggy.  You trade Cargo and lynn for Cueto.  Kind of opposite trades.  In the long run, it will hurt you but in the short term it will be fine.  I really hope Cueto keeps this up for you which is almost impossible for him to continue on this hot pace due to his injury plague seasons in the past.

mmcc1029  5/19/2014 4:31 PM

I offered him straight up for every pitcher you mentioned and several others. People in my league do not part with top 1-2 tier pitchers given that we count Quality starts and wins. I was willing to take a slight hit offensively. Mainly wanted to improve on K's era and whip. Oh well, let's go cueto!

gehrenberg   5/19/2014 6:22 PM

My logic is this Cueto has greatly overperformed to start the year and I don't see him as that much of an improvement over Lynn. Cargo is a top ten fantasy player so in my mind you gave up a top ten player for a slight improvement at pitcher. Not to mention Cueto also carrier an injury risk, he has been hurt 2 of the last three years. He has really outperformed his periphal stats the last few years and I tend to think he will regress sooner rather than later. Just out of curiosity where were Cargo and Cueto drafted in your league?

jyang61107  5/19/2014 8:53 PM

Its not a bad trade but you could done better thats all.  Sometimes patient is key just like my leagues only 1 trade.

liam4  5/19/2014 9:39 PM

Worth noting that Cargo drops in value a bit in his league given inclusion of OBP.

Cueto does have a career best xFIP going, around 2.8... So he is pitching like an elite starter... Good luck

gehrenberg   5/20/2014 9:59 PM

Yea but that xfip doesn't take into account that his swinging strike rate implies his strikeouts are about to plummet 

jyang61107  5/21/2014 8:09 AM

He took the gamble hope it pays off.  Yesterday was the first sign of regression I'm glad I got all my shares out high.