Points league offered JUpton for Strasburg

tomm0  5/21/2013 8:17 AM

I was just offered Justin Upton for Strasburg.  I am not sure where the round values are comingfrom because when I look at the remaining season projections they do not match what I see for my team analysis.  The rank matches but the rounds are off.

(Points Per Stat)

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	1B	2B	3B	CS	HBP	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BBV	1BV	2BV	3BV	KV	CSV	HBPV
		1	1	445.90	0.00		Cabrera, Miguel		DET	3B	117		445	85	147	101	58	68	0.330	28	3	89	29	0	1	3	113.32	100.96	2.87	84.65	28.90	88.66	58.72	1.32	-34.18	-0.58	1.26
		2	15	336.25	0.00		Butler, Billy		KC	1B	117		426	62	128	77	47	74	0.300	18	2	84	26	1	1	4	71.10	77.47	1.58	61.55	23.68	84.01	51.15	1.53	-37.18	-0.78	2.13
		2	23	326.37	0.00		Gordon, Alex		KC	OF	114		433	63	130	69	50	94	0.300	13	10	80	33	4	3	3	50.93	68.55	9.79	63.28	24.86	80.29	66.25	11.30	-47.07	-3.26	1.45
		3	27	321.37	0.00		Aoki, Norichika		MIL	OF	106		452	69	131	40	36	39	0.290	8	24	88	34	1	6	11	32.50	39.75	23.99	68.92	17.79	88.05	67.35	3.54	-19.50	-6.38	5.36
		4	39	307.23	0.00		Carpenter, Matt		STL	1B/3B/OF	109		452	76	130	44	53	88	0.288	10	2	82	33	5	2	4	39.09	43.81	2.31	76.00	26.26	82.23	66.72	14.86	-44.19	-1.89	2.02
		4	44	299.74	0.00		Jennings, Desmond		TB	OF	107		442	68	117	45	45	101	0.264	13	27	76	21	6	5	7	53.69	45.17	26.60	67.60	22.40	76.45	42.02	17.51	-50.39	-4.69	3.41
		5	55	292.37	0.00		Cabrera, Asdrubal		CLE	SS	112		441	58	119	61	36	87	0.269	13	9	76	28	1	3	6	53.14	61.46	8.73	58.31	18.14	76.04	55.75	4.27	-43.43	-2.91	2.86
		6	63	284.50	0.00		Hunter, Torii		DET	OF	105		434	70	126	53	35	94	0.291	11	6	92	22	1	1	6	42.96	52.60	6.33	69.94	17.35	92.12	44.23	4.17	-46.89	-1.12	2.81
		6	66	282.58	0.00		Hill, Aaron		ARI	2B	92		362	51	104	56	29	49	0.289	15	9	63	24	3	3	3	58.10	55.95	8.86	51.46	14.34	62.90	48.48	8.46	-24.59	-2.95	1.56
		6	67	282.09	0.00		Cuddyer, Michael		COL	1B/OF	102		369	51	104	61	34	71	0.281	16	7	59	27	2	2	2	64.24	61.41	6.74	51.25	17.13	59.06	53.05	5.91	-35.46	-2.25	1.01
		6	70	279.76	0.00		Cain, Lorenzo		KC	OF	107		443	60	126	50	27	99	0.285	10	18	90	22	4	1	4	39.93	50.27	17.95	60.14	13.40	90.11	44.99	11.37	-49.37	-1.15	2.12
		7	77	273.92	0.00		Napoli, Mike		BOS	C/1B	99		341	58	90	60	49	101	0.265	23	1	50	16	1	0	5	92.94	60.31	1.15	57.58	24.37	49.99	32.36	2.98	-50.30	0.00	2.53
		25	296	89.92	0.00		Profar, Jurickson		TEX	2B	42		145	18	37	17	14	28	0.257	4	4	24	8	1	2	1	14.89	17.33	4.36	18.00	7.07	24.37	15.78	3.68	-13.91	-2.05	0.40
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	1B	2B	3B	CS	HBP	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BBV	1BV	2BV	3BV	KV	CSV	HBPV
				3822.01	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				1327		5,185	789	1,490	735	511	993	0.287	182	121	954	323	30	30	58	726.83	735.04	121.25	788.67	255.69	954.29	646.86	90.91	-496.45	-30.00	28.92
				2882.91	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				987		3,876	598	1,118	548	400	751	0.288	137	95	716	243	23	22	46	546.64	547.74	94.96	598.03	199.80	715.83	485.32	68.69	-375.60	-21.63	23.14

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	L	QS	CG	HBP	BS	WHIP	IPV	WV	SVV	ERV	SOV	LV	BBV	QSV	CGV	HBPV	BSV
		1	5	368.55	0.00		Lee, Cliff		PHI	SP	22		156.9	147	59	54	24	145	16	3.11	10	0	5	15	3	2	0	1.09	235.37	62.67	0.00	-54.19	144.71	-30.15	-12.20	15.20	8.02	-0.87	0.00
		1	7	357.01	0.00		Scherzer, Max		DET	SP	24		144.7	130	60	55	44	164	18	3.45	12	0	5	15	1	6	0	1.20	217.10	69.09	0.00	-55.45	164.03	-30.56	-22.11	15.29	2.85	-3.22	0.00
		1	8	353.32	0.00		Shields, James		KC	SP	24		163.7	155	71	65	42	151	18	3.58	10	0	6	15	2	5	0	1.21	245.57	61.63	0.00	-65.04	150.98	-38.02	-20.92	14.84	7.01	-2.73	0.00
		1	10	347.63	0.00		Strasburg, Stephen		WAS	SP	22		139.2	122	53	48	40	155	14	3.13	11	0	5	15	1	3	0	1.16	208.85	64.33	0.00	-48.43	154.70	-28.49	-20.11	15.13	3.22	-1.55	0.00
		3	32	300.58	0.00		Cahill, Trevor		ARI	SP	23		149.3	141	66	61	53	119	12	3.66	11	0	6	14	1	5	0	1.30	223.95	63.41	0.00	-60.78	119.44	-34.57	-26.54	14.33	3.84	-2.49	0.00
		6	62	260.85	0.00		Garza, Matt		CHC	SP	20		130.2	126	60	55	39	116	15	3.81	8	0	6	12	1	4	0	1.27	195.24	48.35	0.00	-55.11	115.70	-37.07	-19.52	12.10	3.34	-2.17	0.00
		6	66	254.19	0.00		Estrada, Marco		MIL	SP	20		114.9	112	54	50	32	110	16	3.91	9	0	5	12	1	4	0	1.25	172.37	54.58	0.00	-49.97	109.80	-28.64	-15.96	11.55	2.38	-1.92	0.00
		12	135	186.86	0.00		Romo, Sergio		SF	RP	47		41.9	34	11	11	7	49	3	2.26	3	27	3	0	0	2	5	0.97	62.80	15.73	109.47	-10.51	48.84	-16.44	-3.26	0.00	0.00	-0.93	-18.85
		15	171	153.63	0.00		Kazmir, Scott		CLE	SP	16		95.0	97	54	50	43	75	13	4.73	6	0	6	8	1	5	0	1.48	142.46	34.29	0.00	-49.93	74.93	-33.32	-21.63	7.54	1.93	-2.64	0.00
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	L	QS	CG	HBP	BS	WHIP	IPV	WV	SVV	ERV	SOV	LV	BBV	QSV	CGV	HBPV	BSV
				2582.62	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				218		1,135.8	1,064	488	449	325	1,083	124	3.56	79	27	46	106	11	37	5	1.22	1703.69	474.07	109.47	-449.41	1083.12	-277.26	-162.26	105.97	32.58	-18.50	-18.85
				1913.94	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				161		795.7	729	320	294	210	783	80	3.33	56	27	30	75	8	24	5	1.18	1193.62	336.85	109.47	-294.40	782.70	-178.24	-105.14	74.78	24.93	-11.78	-18.85

mbuser   5/21/2013 11:34 AM

Both are excellent, but it at least appears that there is more separation between the top bats and the lesser options than there is between the top starters and the lesser options. That's usually the case in points leagues, and I'd likely do the deal if you can confirm that in general.

tomm0  5/21/2013 1:23 PM

Pitchers really come at a premium in this league, so I might stay put.  Stras currently has 100 points while Upton is sitting at 150, but in general it is much harder to trade for a SP than it is a hitter.  Pitchers used to score signfiicantly more until they altered the scoring a bit last year, but most owners haven't changed their mindset.

12 teams starting 5 SP each:

1st SP Kershaw - 194 points

60th SP Lincecum - 99

12 teams starting 9 hitters each:

1st Hitter Miggy - 196 points

60th Hitter Santana - 111.50

108th Hitter S. Smith - 94.50

mbuser   5/21/2013 1:34 PM

I'd be less concerned with trading for pitching than what is available on the wire at any given point. Streaming pitchers - especially those in two-start weeks - is almost a given in points leagues, given the nature of the format.

tomm0  5/21/2013 2:00 PM

Very true though that strategy can easily blow up in your face, while if a guy like Strasburg goes out and throws 2 gems it could win you the week.

mbuser   5/21/2013 2:10 PM

Sure, the SP on the wire tend to be available for a reason. But in points leagues, where it's all about volume of stats, it's harder to go wrong than in straight categorical leagues.

tomm0  5/21/2013 2:19 PM

The biggest issue is if they lose one of the two starts you're kind of screwed, or if they have a start pushed back due to a postponement or something.

mbuser   5/21/2013 3:10 PM

Sure, if it's a weekly lineups league or limited weekly transactions, that does play a factor.

tomm0  5/21/2013 4:40 PM

Now the deal is Upton and Dempster for Stras and Hunter.

mbuser   5/23/2013 8:39 PM

Did you pull the trigger?

tomm0  5/24/2013 9:33 AM

I didn't do the deal yet.  He also offered to do it for Scherzer instead of Strasburg.  Obviously Upton is a stud but I have a number of good outfielders in Gordon, Aoki, Jennings, Cuddyer, Hunter, and Cain.  The way people value pitchers in this league I think I should try to aim higher if I really wanted to move one of my arms, The projections only have Upton 3 ranks ahead of Gordon ROS and 6 ranks ahead of Aoki.