I think this is a no-brainer but I need some reassurance

tomm0  5/13/2013 5:34 PM

I've had a bunch of injuries at MI this year and definitely have some excess at OF.  I know Wells' playing time is going to take a hit once Grandy is back, but I made good use of him while he was playing.  The deal on the table is my Fister, Morse, Wells for his Starlin Castro and Cespedes.  I know if/when Hill and Hanley are healthy I will have both of them with Castro and Rutledge, but figure I can deal one of them for a pitcher.  Thoughts on this deal?

12 Teams | 12 Hitters Per Team $170 Per Team [6 Active = HR RBI SB R BA OPS] | 8 Pitchers Per Team $90 Per Team [6 Active = W SV ERA WHIP SO QS]

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
		2	17	0.70	0.00		Butler, Billy		KC	1B	126		462	67	139	84	51	81	0.300	19	2	0.863	0.54	1.89	-0.92	0.56	1.25	0.85
		2	22	0.61	0.00		Gordon, Alex		KC	OF	124		469	69	141	74	54	102	0.300	14	11	0.858	-0.33	1.17	0.07	0.73	1.27	0.77
		2	24	0.59	0.00		Longoria, Evan		TB	3B	116		423	64	118	77	50	88	0.280	25	4	0.885	1.41	1.40	-0.68	0.31	-0.06	1.13
		3	32	0.44	0.00		Goldschmidt, Paul		ARI	1B	112		408	59	116	68	50	110	0.285	19	13	0.873	0.53	0.72	0.35	-0.11	0.23	0.91
		4	40	0.23	0.00		Fowler, Dexter		COL	OF	109		434	78	124	49	62	117	0.285	13	12	0.847	-0.46	-0.75	0.25	1.56	0.25	0.52
		4	41	0.23	0.00		Heyward, Jason		ATL	OF	105		416	69	114	51	48	100	0.274	20	14	0.844	0.70	-0.58	0.41	0.80	-0.41	0.45
		4	47	0.16	0.00		Hill, Aaron		ARI	2B	103		407	58	118	63	32	55	0.289	16	10	0.839	0.08	0.32	0.00	-0.23	0.47	0.36
		5	52	0.09	0.00		Aoki, Norichika		MIL	OF	114		486	74	141	43	38	42	0.290	9	26	0.780	-1.14	-1.20	1.75	1.23	0.62	-0.70
		6	63	-0.06	0.00		Morse, Michael		SEA	OF	107		402	51	115	65	23	94	0.285	21	1	0.825	0.76	0.45	-1.05	-0.87	0.23	0.14
		6	66	-0.08	0.00		de Aza, Alejandro		CHW	OF	119		496	70	139	48	44	113	0.280	10	22	0.772	-0.87	-0.82	1.29	0.87	-0.07	-0.87
		9	98	-0.38	0.00		Rutledge, Josh		COL	SS	106		418	54	115	55	22	84	0.275	13	11	0.775	-0.52	-0.30	0.16	-0.58	-0.36	-0.68
		9	103	-0.41	0.00		Ramirez, Hanley		LAD	SS/3B	83		330	53	92	39	37	68	0.277	13	14	0.813	-0.49	-1.50	0.45	-0.68	-0.19	-0.04
		13	149	-0.77	0.00		Scutaro, Marco		SF	2B/SS	105		436	59	126	42	30	35	0.288	6	5	0.729	-1.59	-1.28	-0.53	-0.17	0.44	-1.50
		18	206	-1.20	0.00		Wells, Vernon		NYY	OF	64		237	31	60	33	15	38	0.255	12	3	0.772	-0.60	-1.92	-0.74	-2.65	-0.88	-0.41
		19	218	-1.26	0.00		Arencibia, JP		TOR	C	92		322	39	74	41	20	97	0.230	17	1	0.725	0.22	-1.34	-1.00	-1.92	-2.34	-1.15
		24	279	-1.71	0.00		Gordon, Dee		LAD	SS	62		216	18	56	19	14	37	0.260	1	22	0.626	-2.44	-3.02	1.28	-3.81	-0.65	-1.62
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
				-2.34	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				1648		6,363	913	1,787	851	592	1,261	0.281	228	170	0.820	-4.21	-6.76	1.09	-4.97	-0.18	0.96
				-2.43	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				1243		4,723	659	1,322	655	436	995	0.280	170	106	0.821	-3.36	-3.80	-1.51	-6.09	-0.67	0.82

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
		1	8	0.69	0.00		Hamels, Cole		PHI	SP	25		169.2	157	69	63	41	164	18	3.36	11	0	1.17	16	0.67	-0.52	0.76	1.23	1.24	0.77
		2	14	0.52	0.00		Fister, Doug		DET	SP	26		168.4	164	70	65	36	129	15	3.46	12	0	1.18	16	1.06	-0.52	0.37	1.01	0.36	0.82
		2	16	0.45	0.00		Shields, James		KC	SP	26		177.5	169	77	71	45	164	20	3.58	11	0	1.21	16	0.69	-0.52	-0.04	0.58	1.24	0.78
		2	18	0.40	0.00		Zimmermann, Jordan		WAS	SP	24		147.6	141	60	55	34	118	12	3.37	11	0	1.19	16	0.69	-0.52	0.62	0.82	0.08	0.70
		5	56	-0.20	0.00		Estrada, Marco		MIL	SP	21		123.7	121	58	54	34	118	17	3.91	10	0	1.25	12	0.27	-0.52	-0.93	-0.31	0.08	0.18
		5	58	-0.22	0.00		Holland, Greg		KC	RP	49		48.7	36	14	13	21	65	2	2.46	3	28	1.16	0	-1.81	2.01	1.16	0.44	-1.27	-1.83
		6	72	-0.34	0.00		Niese, Jonathon		NYM	SP	24		153.5	151	72	67	48	122	16	3.90	9	0	1.30	14	0.17	-0.52	-1.12	-1.17	0.18	0.44
		9	99	-0.49	0.00		Wilhelmsen, Tom		SEA	RP	44		48.7	42	18	16	18	49	3	3.03	3	26	1.22	0	-1.85	1.75	0.56	0.09	-1.68	-1.83
		10	111	-0.55	0.00		Henderson, Jim		MIL	RP	47		47.3	38	16	15	18	57	3	2.82	4	11	1.19	0	-1.49	0.47	0.76	0.25	-1.48	-1.83
		18	208	-0.91	0.00		Valverde, Jose		DET	RP	45		44.8	42	21	19	20	39	4	3.90	3	20	1.38	0	-1.76	1.22	-0.33	-0.82	-1.92	-1.83
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
				-0.65	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				330		1,129.4	1,058	476	438	316	1,024	110	3.49	77	85	1.22	91	-3.36	2.35	1.82	2.13	-3.17	-3.65
				-0.11	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				285		852.2	787	345	318	234	784	77	3.36	58	85	1.20	64	-3.80	3.38	3.86	3.61	-3.43	-4.27

mbuser   5/13/2013 6:15 PM

A sell high on Vernon and a buy low on both Castro and Cespedes. I love it.

tomm0  5/14/2013 4:05 AM

This deal has caused some backlash upon acceptance.  I'm under the belief that if a deal is accepted by both owners without collusion involved that there is no reason to veto a deal.  It clearly helps the other owner's team as well.  How do you feel about vetoing deals?

mbuser   5/14/2013 12:10 PM

Collusion and serious threats to competitive balance are the only justifications that I am aware of.

tomm0  5/14/2013 12:31 PM

Would you consider this a serious threat to competitive balance? This is what the other guy's team currently looks like...

Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
		4	31	0.46	0.37	Ramirez, Aramis			MIL	3B	104		5/6	396	54	120	76	29	51	0.302	19	3	0.887	0.46	1.31	-0.74	-0.59	1.19	1.09
		5	36	0.30	0.57	Kinsler, Ian			TEX	2B	118		5/6	486	77	130	57	55	63	0.268	19	20	0.807	0.47	-0.16	1.07	1.49	-0.90	-0.17
		7	50	0.10	-0.23	Trumbo, Mark			LAA	1B/OF	117		5/3	447	60	118	74	28	118	0.264	26	3	0.801	1.65	1.15	-0.77	-0.05	-1.08	-0.27
		7	54	0.07	0.30	Molina, Yadier			STL	C	105		4/27	384	49	119	64	33	37	0.309	13	7	0.839	-0.44	0.44	-0.38	-1.06	1.54	0.34
		9	61	-0.05	-0.38	Morse, Michael			SEA	OF	107		5/6	402	51	115	65	23	94	0.285	21	1	0.825	0.77	0.48	-1.05	-0.86	0.23	0.14
		11	74	-0.12	0.26	Desmond, Ian			WAS	SS	119		5/11	422	53	118	59	26	96	0.280	15	15	0.784	-0.09	0.06	0.60	-0.69	-0.06	-0.53
		12	83	-0.22	-0.68	Reynolds, Mark			CLE	1B	118		5/6	393	61	94	59	57	131	0.240	25	2	0.830	1.49	0.06	-0.90	0.09	-2.30	0.22
		19	116	-0.53	-0.86	Crisp, Coco			OAK	OF	85		5/6	353	51	95	35	32	47	0.270	8	30	0.749	-1.25	-1.82	2.25	-0.85	-0.55	-0.94
		24	142	-0.71	-0.43	Johnson, Kelly			TB	2B	94		5/6	369	58	92	42	42	113	0.249	14	11	0.759	-0.30	-1.25	0.07	-0.23	-1.69	-0.83
		25	147	-0.75	-1.09	Jay, Jon			STL	OF	113		4/27	401	42	116	50	28	66	0.289	5	13	0.738	-1.78	-0.66	0.33	-1.66	0.46	-1.23
		33	169	-0.94	-0.71	Pierzynski, A.J.			TEX	C	87		5/6	321	40	90	44	16	41	0.279	11	0	0.759	-0.81	-1.11	-1.05	-1.87	-0.09	-0.72
		37	185	-1.03	-1.37	Arcia, Oswaldo			MIN	OF	95		5/10	343	41	90	44	27	86	0.262	11	3	0.753	-0.81	-1.13	-0.73	-1.74	-0.93	-0.86
		45	206	-1.20	-1.53	Wells, Vernon			NYY	OF	64		5/13	237	31	60	33	15	38	0.255	12	3	0.772	-0.59	-1.91	-0.74	-2.64	-0.88	-0.42
		53	227	-1.30	-1.63	Schierholtz, Nate			CHC	OF	86		5/13	305	32	81	35	25	57	0.265	8	5	0.741	-1.30	-1.80	-0.54	-2.53	-0.70	-0.91
		74	298	-1.80	-1.52	Raburn, Ryan			CLE	2B/OF	43		5/6	160	19	40	20	10	41	0.250	5	0	0.722	-1.70	-2.94	-1.05	-3.78	-0.71	-0.60
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
				-7.63	-8.94	Avg Stats/Total Values					1453			5,421	717	1,478	756	447	1,078	0.273	211	117	0.792	-4.23	-9.29	-3.62	-16.96	-6.46	-5.24

Pitchers

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
		1	1	1.67	1.23	Kershaw, Clayton			LAD	SP	25		5/8	178.4	151	58	53	46	184	11	2.68	13	0	1.10	19	1.33	-0.50	3.40	2.80	1.80	1.19
		4	15	0.52	0.07	Fister, Doug			DET	SP	25		5/9	167.1	162	70	64	35	128	15	3.46	12	0	1.18	16	1.05	-0.50	0.39	1.02	0.34	0.80
		5	22	0.34	-0.11	Cueto, Johnny			CIN	SP	25		5/9	161.9	156	68	63	40	124	13	3.49	12	0	1.21	16	0.90	-0.50	0.30	0.37	0.24	0.72
		13	63	-0.25	-0.69	Garcia, Jaime			STL	SP	21		5/12	130.1	127	59	54	39	98	12	3.73	10	0	1.28	13	0.31	-0.50	-0.44	-0.67	-0.43	0.22
		16	85	-0.43	0.02	Janssen, Casey			TOR	RP	45		5/11	45.3	40	16	15	10	45	4	2.92	3	24	1.10	0	-1.85	1.64	0.63	0.73	-1.82	-1.89
		18	98	-0.50	-0.06	Street, Huston			SD	RP	46		5/12	46.1	43	19	17	10	47	6	3.40	3	26	1.15	0	-1.85	1.89	0.17	0.44	-1.76	-1.89
		26	154	-0.76	-1.20	Detwiler, Ross			WAS	SP	26		5/9	121.0	123	59	55	39	77	11	4.06	8	0	1.34	11	-0.13	-0.50	-1.25	-1.55	-1.00	-0.12
		29	186	-0.87	-0.43	Villanueva, Carlos			CHC	RP	32		5/11	115.8	116	60	55	39	104	17	4.26	6	0	1.33	8	-0.75	-0.50	-1.71	-1.42	-0.28	-0.57
		32	208	-0.92	-1.37	Correia, Kevin			MIN	SP	24		5/11	143.9	154	76	70	38	83	17	4.37	8	0	1.34	12	-0.13	-0.50	-2.45	-1.81	-0.83	0.18
		33	226	-0.95	-1.40	Guthrie, Jeremy			KC	SP	24		5/9	157.2	169	85	78	40	98	21	4.46	9	0	1.33	12	-0.01	-0.50	-2.99	-1.90	-0.45	0.13
		68	564	-1.50	-1.94	Locke, Jeff			PIT	SP	32		5/9	64.9	69	39	36	27	51	10	4.94	4	0	1.48	3	-1.61	-0.50	-1.90	-1.92	-1.67	-1.41

mbuser   5/14/2013 2:55 PM

No. The trade is fine.

Constantine9  5/15/2013 2:36 PM

Agree after looking at the teams. Plus, Fister's only had 1 bad start this year. He's solid. And I expect Wells will get more time than thought, and I like Morse for .280 and 25-30 HRs.

Hailfire4   5/15/2013 3:37 PM

U are getting Castro and Cespedes very cheap. Fister Morse Wells are doing as well as they possible can. In short u get all the upside and the other owner gets 3 guys. I understand why it would get vetoed. I also want to add "collusion" can never be proven. Of course collusion will always be vetoed but then again collusion is an allegation not a fact. Make ur trade. If it gets vetoed try to fix it and resubmit it. This is a great trade for u so hope it clears the veto challenge.