Lester slumping

crucified77  6/22/2013 11:56 PM

Lester is hurting me in my points league for a few weeks now (after doing well for me previously).  I don't like it as it's going to make it hard for me to win some tight matchup (8 team H2H points league).  I can drop him and harvest his slot for a streamer or top FA pitcher.  Streaming slot are valuable unless I keep him and drop another pitcher.  Alternatively I could add another hitter to swap out another struggling hitter that I don't want to drop (as hitters are more scarce in our league).  

Is he tradable?  What could I get for him?  Not sure I can as the managers aren't trading yet and haven't responded to my fishing attempts previously.  With his performance lately, I wonder should just dump him until he gets his act together (and probably lose him to another team).  Any thoughts?

Top FA's: Pitchers (E. Jackson, T. Chatwood, Wheeler, Marcum, Niece, Oswalt, Morton, Buehrle, Hellickson, Straily, Gee, Phelps, Nicasio, Ogando, and Zito).  Hitters: Pedro Alverez, Quentin, Iglesia, Plouffe, Carp, Franklin, Moreland, S. Smith, Willingham, Moss, Morales, Werth, and Belt).

(Points Per Stat)

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	2B	3B	CS	HBP	HV	HRV	SBV	BBV	2BV	3BV	CSV	ABV	HBPV
		1	5	1144.30	0.00		Fielder, Prince		DET	1B	160		462	73	187	90	76	87	0.405	27	1	25	1	1	0	1047.20	253.80	1.90	228.00	72.50	5.70	-2.80	-462.00	0.00
		2	14	1028.80	0.00		Bautista, Jose		TOR	OF	146		386	72	148	75	76	80	0.383	31	6	19	1	2	0	828.80	291.40	11.40	228.00	55.10	5.70	-5.60	-386.00	0.00
		3	18	1005.90	0.00		Gonzalez, Adrian		LAD	1B/OF	82		488	67	190	83	51	88	0.389	20	1	29	1	1	0	1064.00	188.00	1.90	153.00	84.10	5.70	-2.80	-488.00	0.00
		3	21	986.20	0.00		Gordon, Alex		KC	OF	156		511	78	191	64	55	116	0.374	15	9	33	4	5	0	1069.60	141.00	17.10	165.00	95.70	22.80	-14.00	-511.00	0.00
		3	22	983.00	0.00		Holliday, Matt		STL	OF	156		456	73	179	75	56	88	0.393	19	3	30	1	3	0	1002.40	178.60	5.70	168.00	87.00	5.70	-8.40	-456.00	0.00
		4	30	935.40	0.00		Jackson, Austin		DET	OF	154		514	89	186	53	56	132	0.362	12	15	25	8	7	0	1041.60	112.80	28.50	168.00	72.50	45.60	-19.60	-514.00	0.00
		4	32	925.50	0.00		Granderson, Curtis		NYY	OF	130		427	75	152	74	54	124	0.356	28	11	17	3	4	0	851.20	263.20	20.90	162.00	49.30	17.10	-11.20	-427.00	0.00
		5	37	910.30	0.00		Headley, Chase		SD	3B	136		463	66	168	68	60	114	0.363	17	12	26	1	4	0	940.80	159.80	22.80	180.00	75.40	5.70	-11.20	-463.00	0.00
		9	67	835.90	0.00		Rios, Alex		CHW	OF	156		476	65	173	60	27	72	0.363	17	17	25	3	7	0	968.80	159.80	32.30	81.00	72.50	17.10	-19.60	-476.00	0.00
		15	120	699.60	0.00		Hardy, J.J.		BAL	SS	165		463	59	151	58	28	70	0.326	18	0	21	1	1	0	845.60	169.20	0.00	84.00	60.90	5.70	-2.80	-463.00	0.00
		21	166	616.90	0.00		Brown, Domonic		PHI	OF	146		355	43	121	44	37	72	0.341	12	5	19	3	4	0	677.60	112.80	9.50	111.00	55.10	17.10	-11.20	-355.00	0.00
		26	204	552.00	0.00		Carpenter, Matt		STL	1B/2B/3B/OF	124		290	41	109	36	34	61	0.376	6	2	19	3	1	0	610.40	56.40	3.80	102.00	55.10	17.10	-2.80	-290.00	0.00
		35	278	423.40	0.00		Rendon, Anthony		WAS	2B/3B	51		159	21	77	21	18	62	0.484	4	1	13	4	1	0	431.20	37.60	1.90	54.00	37.70	22.80	-2.80	-159.00	0.00
		39	310	377.30	0.00		Castro, Jason		HOU	C	159		281	33	85	28	29	59	0.302	5	1	15	1	1	0	476.00	47.00	1.90	87.00	43.50	5.70	-2.80	-281.00	0.00
		46	368	298.70	0.00		Puig, Yasiel		LAD	OF	41		130	13	61	15	9	46	0.469	4	4	8	1	5	0	341.60	37.60	7.60	27.00	23.20	5.70	-14.00	-130.00	0.00
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	2B	3B	CS	HBP	HV	HRV	SBV	BBV	2BV	3BV	CSV	ABV	HBPV
				11723.20	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				1962		5,861	868	2,178	844	666	1,271	0.372	235	88	324	36	47	0	12196.80	2209.00	167.20	1998.00	939.60	205.20	-131.60	-5861.00	0.00
				11723.20	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				1962		5,861	868	2,178	844	666	1,271	0.372	235	88	324	36	47	0	12196.80	2209.00	167.20	1998.00	939.60	205.20	-131.60	-5861.00	0.00

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	SV	HLD	HBP	IPV	SVV	SOV	HLDV	HRV	HV	BBV	HBPV
		1	2	878.50	0.00		Kershaw, Clayton		LAD	SP	28		183.0	143	54	54	52	193	15	2.66	0	0	0	915.00	0.00	386.00	0.00	-195.00	-71.50	-156.00	0.00
		1	4	810.50	0.00		Lee, Cliff		PHI	SP	25		175.0	163	60	60	27	166	18	3.09	0	0	0	875.00	0.00	332.00	0.00	-234.00	-81.50	-81.00	0.00
		1	6	787.00	0.00		Shields, James		KC	SP	28		186.0	172	74	74	48	167	19	3.58	0	0	0	930.00	0.00	334.00	0.00	-247.00	-86.00	-144.00	0.00
		2	12	706.50	0.00		Cain, Matt		SF	SP	27		174.0	153	65	65	46	149	19	3.36	0	0	0	870.00	0.00	298.00	0.00	-247.00	-76.50	-138.00	0.00
		2	14	701.50	0.00		Gonzalez, Gio		WAS	SP	27		161.0	131	59	59	65	163	13	3.30	0	0	0	805.00	0.00	326.00	0.00	-169.00	-65.50	-195.00	0.00
		3	17	666.50	0.00		Masterson, Justin		CLE	SP	28		167.0	167	78	78	63	130	12	4.20	0	0	0	835.00	0.00	260.00	0.00	-156.00	-83.50	-189.00	0.00
		3	21	657.00	0.00		Lester, Jon		BOS	SP	27		163.0	154	71	71	58	144	15	3.92	0	0	0	815.00	0.00	288.00	0.00	-195.00	-77.00	-174.00	0.00
		4	30	638.00	0.00		Wilson, C.J.		LAA	SP	27		160.0	144	66	66	67	140	13	3.71	0	0	0	800.00	0.00	280.00	0.00	-169.00	-72.00	-201.00	0.00
		5	40	603.00	0.00		Lynn, Lance		STL	SP/RP	26		139.0	128	59	59	53	137	11	3.82	0	0	0	695.00	0.00	274.00	0.00	-143.00	-64.00	-159.00	0.00
		6	41	595.00	0.00		Hudson, Tim		ATL	SP	24		150.0	146	62	62	43	95	11	3.72	0	0	0	750.00	0.00	190.00	0.00	-143.00	-73.00	-129.00	0.00
		8	59	554.50	0.00		Liriano, Francisco		PIT	SP/RP	24		132.0	119	68	68	66	128	8	4.64	0	0	0	660.00	0.00	256.00	0.00	-104.00	-59.50	-198.00	0.00
		8	64	543.50	0.00		Corbin, Patrick		ARI	SP/RP	24		135.0	137	59	59	36	107	13	3.93	0	0	0	675.00	0.00	214.00	0.00	-169.00	-68.50	-108.00	0.00
		9	65	538.50	0.00		Holland, Derek		TEX	SP	25		150.0	143	71	71	47	124	19	4.26	0	0	0	750.00	0.00	248.00	0.00	-247.00	-71.50	-141.00	0.00
		11	88	481.50	0.00		Kendrick, Kyle		PHI	SP/RP	26		136.0	137	61	61	39	91	15	4.04	0	0	0	680.00	0.00	182.00	0.00	-195.00	-68.50	-117.00	0.00
		13	102	460.50	0.00		Wood, Travis		CHC	SP	26		138.0	131	66	66	48	107	18	4.30	0	0	0	690.00	0.00	214.00	0.00	-234.00	-65.50	-144.00	0.00
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	SV	HLD	HBP	IPV	SVV	SOV	HLDV	HRV	HV	BBV	HBPV
				9622.00	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				392		2,349.0	2,168	973	973	758	2,041	219	3.73	0	0	0	11745.00	0.00	4082.00	0.00	-2847.00	-1084.00	-2274.00	0.00
				9622.00	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				392		2,349.0	2,168	973	973	758	2,041	219	3.73	0	0	0	11745.00	0.00	4082.00	0.00	-2847.00	-1084.00	-2274.00	0.00

mbuser   6/23/2013 1:22 PM

Hard to foresee much trade value when you are deliberating a straight drop in the first place, unless there is a BOS fan in your league. Wheeler could be interesting for points leagues. You've got all those custom projections in place - are they telling you to drop Lester or sit tight? It's a long season, winning now doesn't matter as much as winning when it really counts. (Of course, you do have to make the playoffs first.)

crucified77  6/23/2013 9:23 PM

Thanks for the reply mbuser.  His season actual rank is 93 of 100 for the pitchers.  Looking at projections there are basically no pitchers above him available, however there are other pitchers available that have the same or slightly better actual average score/game.  For example Lester is only 1 projected point / game better than is Edwin Jackson.  While there aren't that may good pitchers at his level still out there there are about a half a dozen.  I figure these guys are going to be added or weekly streamed, but to win, I may have to move out Lester.  My goal for the regular season is seeding, as I'm leading my division 5-0 at this point but I'm playing the #2 guy who is only 1 game behind me.  I really want to beat him to hold on to secure my seeding.  If I loose to him it could end up forcing me to play the 6 seed in the first week of the playoffs, vs. having the bye.  So I don't know if a top 100 pitcher like Lester is worth holding for the long term when you can add an available set of pitchers with his slot, with my goals.

crucified77  6/27/2013 11:40 PM

I dumped him but then he pitches a good game but then left with a pain in his hip.  He earned the drop and his slot is not producing much actually.  I did add Wheeler but he was not good.  Maybe I should add him back assuming he gets back on track?  

silentjim   6/28/2013 10:46 AM

I think it was Lester over performing early, but I do think you should nab him back if you can over Wheeler who should just be ok this season. Pedro Alvarez probably should be owned at this point as well, but you have to weigh who puts up the most value and if you can get them in your lineup. Points on the bench won't help.

crucified77  6/29/2013 10:00 PM

Silentjim, you made a good argument to pick Lester back up.  I was going to re-add him considering his last outing was good, but he is gone, at least he was nabbed by a team that seems unlikely to make the playoffs at the current rate.   Dropped Wheeler as I suppose he may not be as good as we hoped yet.  Alverez was nabbed too.  I'm in total agreement that a slot that is not in play (points on the bench) will not help, however, batters are more scarce in my league (and pitchers are not scoring as well) so I may have to hold 1 or 2 bench slots for some valuable hitters.