Offered Kemp/AGon/Price/Jansen for Cuddyer/Strasburg, worth taking?

unbigote  7/3/2013 2:15 PM

The players I'm being offered wouldn't be worth keeping based on league rules -- all would be rentals. I'm in second place (back two games) and I'd like to win this year since it looks like I've a decent shot, at least at the regular season title.

I took Cuddyer in rd. 17 and have Strasburg in rd. 19, so both could be keepers for the other manager. I have been thinking about offering Strasburg for a rental on Braun and Verlander as well.

Basically, I think I need another piece or two to solidfy my roster and Strasburg is best keeper I'd be willing to dangle to do that.

12 Teams | 12 Hitters Per Team [5 Active = HR RBI SB R BA] | 7 Pitchers Per Team [5 Active = W SV ERA WHIP SO]

Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV
1	6	1.04	Votto, Joey		CIN	1B	72		253	50	81	45	54	55	0.322	12	3	0.64	1.05	-0.66	1.70	2.45
1	10	0.90	Beltre, Adrian		TEX	3B	71		271	40	81	57	17	32	0.300	16	0	1.59	2.36	-1.06	0.41	1.20
1	11	0.87	McCutchen, Andrew		PIT	OF	77		288	44	85	42	34	55	0.296	13	11	0.92	0.73	0.75	0.95	1.00
2	13	0.85	Harper, Bryce		WAS	OF	74		280	47	79	46	36	59	0.283	17	6	1.78	1.17	-0.10	1.28	0.10
2	19	0.68	Pedroia, Dustin		BOS	2B	69		268	45	82	43	30	31	0.306	7	10	-0.44	0.78	0.50	0.99	1.57
4	40	0.30	Werth, Jayson		WAS	OF	73		293	47	82	36	31	70	0.278	12	6	0.63	-0.01	-0.19	1.31	-0.24
4	44	0.20	Carpenter, Matt		STL	1B/2B/3B/OF	75		311	53	93	30	36	45	0.298	6	1	-0.76	-0.71	-0.90	2.17	1.23
5	57	0.12	Segura, Jean		MIL	SS	75		304	43	86	31	26	46	0.282	5	16	-1.12	-0.60	1.54	0.72	0.04
5	58	0.10	Mauer, Joe		MIN	C	71		272	43	86	32	39	45	0.315	4	2	-1.24	-0.45	-0.79	0.78	2.18
5	59	0.09	Cuddyer, Michael		COL	1B/OF	70		255	35	72	43	24	49	0.281	11	5	0.46	0.75	-0.33	-0.38	-0.03
8	96	-0.31	LaRoche, Adam		WAS	1B	71		250	35	65	38	29	66	0.260	13	1	0.87	0.24	-0.99	-0.39	-1.28
12	137	-0.69	Myers, Wil		TB	OF	69		230	30	60	31	22	63	0.259	9	3	0.01	-0.58	-0.61	-1.05	-1.24
13	154	-0.76	Franklin, Nick		SEA	2B/SS	67		264	35	68	26	26	55	0.258	5	7	-0.90	-1.19	0.15	-0.36	-1.48
Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV
		3.38	Avg Stats/Total Values				935		3,539	545	1,019	500	404	670	0.288	130	70	2.43	3.54	-2.70	8.14	5.48
		4.13	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				868		3,275	510	951	474	378	615	0.290	124	63	3.33	4.73	-2.84	8.49	6.96

Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV
1	6	0.93	Scherzer, Max		DET	SP	16		107.1	92	40	37	32	123	11	3.10	8	0	1.16	1.29	-0.68	1.13	1.03	1.88
1	7	0.82	Kimbrel, Craig		ATL	RP	34		33.6	22	6	6	9	56	2	1.55	2	20	0.93	-1.34	1.93	2.16	1.77	-0.44
1	10	0.70	Strasburg, Stephen		WAS	SP	16		97.7	86	37	34	28	103	9	3.10	8	0	1.17	1.13	-0.68	1.06	0.78	1.20
2	24	0.16	Lynn, Lance		STL	SP/RP	14		89.6	79	36	33	33	93	7	3.30	7	0	1.24	0.89	-0.68	0.33	-0.59	0.84
3	35	-0.04	Weaver, Jered		LAA	SP	16		104.2	101	46	42	25	85	10	3.62	7	0	1.22	0.83	-0.68	-0.76	-0.15	0.56
4	38	-0.08	Rivera, Mariano		NYY	RP	28		27.8	25	10	9	6	26	2	2.85	2	16	1.11	-1.42	1.42	0.53	0.53	-1.47
5	51	-0.20	Medlen, Kris		ATL	SP/RP	15		93.4	91	41	38	25	76	9	3.66	7	0	1.24	0.76	-0.68	-0.82	-0.52	0.25
8	87	-0.45	Beachy, Brandon		ATL	SP	11		67.5	62	30	27	25	66	7	3.66	5	0	1.29	0.11	-0.68	-0.58	-0.99	-0.09
8	91	-0.46	Pestano, Vinnie		CLE	RP	32		31.7	27	12	11	11	36	3	3.23	3	3	1.21	-1.04	-0.33	0.20	0.01	-1.15
12	138	-0.66	Pineda, Michael		NYY	SP	12		71.5	68	34	31	25	68	9	3.94	5	0	1.30	-0.03	-0.68	-1.32	-1.24	-0.03
13	148	-0.68	Cobb, Alex		TB	SP	10		61.1	59	28	26	19	50	6	3.82	4	0	1.28	-0.35	-0.68	-0.87	-0.85	-0.66
19	227	-0.88	Rodriguez, Francisco		MIL	RP	14		14.3	13	6	6	6	14	1	3.53	1	1	1.32	-1.64	-0.49	-0.06	-0.31	-1.89
Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV
		-0.85	Avg Stats/Total Values				217		799.3	725	326	300	244	794	77	3.37	58	40	1.21	-0.80	-2.91	1.01	-0.54	-0.99
		0.89	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				153		477.8	430	187	172	138	474	43	3.25	35	39	1.19	-0.18	0.30	2.70	1.82	-0.20

mbuser   7/3/2013 3:06 PM

You've got a heck of a roster otherwise, so it doesn't appear that you would be setting the future cause back much at all. I don't see how you don't do this one, maybe you pause if almost all of your best players are not keeper-eligible.

unbigote  7/3/2013 3:40 PM

Thanks Matt (or Mbuser?). I should have clarified the league rules. Six total keepers. Each keeper moves up two rounds every year, undrafted players are 23rd round picks. Only one player can be kept in a first round slot, but you can keep the player in that slot as long as you like. I can only hold on to one of Votto, McCutchen and Kemp (assuming I make this trade). I still think I've got good enough depth without Strasburg, but I was concerned that I'd be paying a price that reflects their (Kemp, Price) past performance, not their current/projected value.

C Mauer (4)
1B Votto (1)
2B Pedroia (3)
SS Segura (UD)
3B Beltre (2)
IF LaRoche (11)
OF Carpenter (UD)
OF McCutchen (1)
OF Cuddyer (17)
OF W. Myers (22)
Utl Harper (18)
Utl Werth (14)
Bn Franlkin (UD)
Bn Yelich (UD)


SP Weaver (3); Strasburg (19); Medlen (21); Scherzer (4); Lynn (11); Cobb (16)
RP Rivera (7); Kimbrel (9); Pestano (UD); Krod (UD)
DL Pineda (UD); Beachy (UD)

mbuser   7/3/2013 5:32 PM

Ok, I do remember discussing this situation not that long ago. You've got six to choose from without a lot of difficulty. That is a huge haul, to me it's worth finding out.

unbigote  7/3/2013 5:45 PM

Yes we did. Different trading partner, but nothing came about. Seems word spread through the league that Strasburg was available.

unbigote  7/18/2013 2:01 PM

I promise this is my last question related to this trade. I have to offers waiting for me to hit accept on. Both involve me trading Strasburg and Medlen.

The return:

1) Braun/Kipnis/Verlander

2) AGon/Kemp/Price

Which should I take? (I have looked at this through the trade analysis function, I'm looking for some beyond-the-numbers advice.)

My thoughts:

1) Braun has the (possible) PED suspension looming -- I realize there is a lot of conflicting information floating around about this story, my biggest fear is he takes a plea. Not so concerned about his neck/thumb. Verlander has been quite un-Verlander like, which is to say he has been good but not been the beyond dominant pitcher of the previous few seasons. Kipnis looks awesome, but he fell off a cliff around this time last year.

2) A Gon is a different player than he was in San Diego (and the first year in Boston), but he would still be an extremly useful one; Kemp's injuries and high strikeouts are concerning; Price looks to have righted the ship since his return from the DL.

Trade one brings back flashier names, but is it the better trade to help me win? (My team has changed a little since the original post)

12 Teams | 12 Hitters Per Team [5 Active = HR RBI SB R BA] | 7 Pitchers Per Team [5 Active = W SV ERA WHIP SO]

Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV
1	2	1.36	Kershaw, Clayton		LAD	SP	14		97.6	84	32	30	25	95	6	2.75	7	0	1.12	1.31	-0.71	2.67	2.00	1.51
1	5	0.90	Scherzer, Max		DET	SP	13		90.8	78	34	31	27	104	9	3.10	7	0	1.16	1.19	-0.71	1.14	1.03	1.85
1	7	0.82	Kimbrel, Craig		ATL	RP	28		28.4	18	5	5	8	47	2	1.55	2	17	0.93	-1.31	1.78	2.20	1.84	-0.43
1	9	0.68	Strasburg, Stephen		WAS	SP	13		82.8	73	31	29	24	87	7	3.10	7	0	1.17	1.08	-0.71	1.06	0.77	1.18
2	13	0.43	Jansen, Kenley		LAD	RP	29		28.6	21	8	7	9	41	2	2.31	2	17	1.05	-1.26	1.76	1.30	1.01	-0.67
3	33	-0.04	Weaver, Jered		LAA	SP	14		90.8	88	40	37	22	74	9	3.62	6	0	1.22	0.89	-0.71	-0.82	-0.22	0.63
4	39	-0.09	Rivera, Mariano		NYY	RP	23		23.5	21	8	7	5	22	2	2.85	1	14	1.11	-1.38	1.29	0.54	0.54	-1.44
4	46	-0.15	Nolasco, Ricky		LAD	SP	14		85.4	84	38	35	20	65	9	3.65	6	0	1.22	0.84	-0.71	-0.89	-0.27	0.30
9	100	-0.49	Medlen, Kris		ATL	SP/RP	18		56.1	55	25	23	15	46	6	3.66	4	0	1.24	-0.23	-0.71	-0.61	-0.42	-0.50
9	102	-0.51	Beachy, Brandon		ATL	SP	13		53.5	49	24	22	20	52	5	3.66	4	0	1.29	-0.06	-0.71	-0.57	-1.00	-0.23
12	135	-0.66	Cobb, Alex		TB	SP	10		61.1	59	28	26	19	50	6	3.82	4	0	1.28	-0.09	-0.71	-1.06	-1.09	-0.34
14	163	-0.73	Pineda, Michael		NYY	SP	9		54.4	52	26	24	19	51	7	3.94	4	0	1.30	-0.26	-0.71	-1.23	-1.21	-0.27
15	169	-0.75	Rodriguez, Francisco		MIL	RP	22		21.7	19	9	9	10	22	2	3.53	2	3	1.32	-1.25	-0.32	-0.12	-0.60	-1.46
Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV
		0.76	Avg Stats/Total Values				219		774.9	702	308	283	222	757	71	3.29	54	50	1.19	-0.51	-1.84	3.61	2.39	0.14
		0.90	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				143		361.3	325	139	128	98	359	33	3.19	25	50	1.17	-2.38	2.39	3.27	3.07	-1.88

mbuser   7/18/2013 3:55 PM

I would definitely be looking at that first deal. The combined ceiling there wins your league if it works out, no question. Kemp is the player I'm worried most about of the six. I don't see Braun getting a plea deal from MLB, let alone taking one. If he goes down, it almost certainly won't be decided until next season.

unbigote  7/22/2013 5:03 PM

Phew, I dodged a bullet... ended taking the the AGon deal when the guy threw in a draft pick for next year. Not that a hurt Matt Kemp is much better than a suspended Ryan Braun.

mbuser   7/22/2013 6:40 PM

That took a pretty quick turn