Trade for Freeman?

tomm0  5/4/2014 5:31 PM

Guy wants Matt Carpenter and Bumgarner for Freeman and then he said he would throw in someone else.  Projections already have Carpenter ahead of Freeman ROS so I think I'd be giving up way too much here.  He's strongly undervaluing Carpenter in my opinion.  Is there anyone on his end that would make this more even?  Do I even need to do this deal since Davis could/should be back the week after next anyway?  Thanks!

(Points Per Stat)

Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	1B	2B	3B	CS	GDP	HBP	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BBV	1BV	2BV	3BV	KV	CSV	GDPV	HBPV
1	9	359.63	Choo, Shin-Soo		TEX	OF	123		477	85	140	53	82	107	0.293	16	16	93	29	2	8	4	16	62.01	52.98	16.36	85.10	40.87	92.58	58.94	6.33	-53.61	-7.91	-1.91	7.90
1	12	356.59	Carpenter, Matt		STL	2B/3B	124		512	81	156	51	62	91	0.306	9	3	101	41	6	2	2	7	34.17	51.30	2.86	81.47	31.10	100.60	82.30	18.49	-45.49	-2.34	-1.20	3.33
3	31	325.35	Reyes, Jose		TOR	SS	111		466	70	134	47	41	47	0.288	10	23	95	24	5	7	7	1	38.34	47.02	22.87	70.49	20.46	94.88	48.86	16.03	-23.73	-6.83	-3.38	0.33
3	34	320.87	Davis, Chris		BAL	1B	115		436	69	113	70	42	141	0.260	29	3	59	25	1	1	3	8	115.90	70.24	3.06	69.41	20.83	58.62	50.05	1.83	-70.72	-1.19	-1.37	4.20
5	49	305.83	Cabrera, Melky		TOR	OF	111		460	66	137	58	29	61	0.299	9	8	98	25	5	4	14	0	37.60	57.99	8.42	65.85	14.51	98.30	49.75	14.60	-30.40	-3.68	-7.13	0.00
6	72	279.98	Gordon, Alex		KC	OF	127		451	54	118	59	37	94	0.261	14	8	76	23	4	3	7	6	57.23	58.76	7.85	53.64	18.69	76.44	46.63	11.09	-47.10	-2.76	-3.27	2.76
9	104	259.51	Loney, James		TB	1B	124		441	49	121	52	35	54	0.275	9	2	87	25	0	1	14	1	36.80	51.80	1.70	48.63	17.48	86.62	50.67	0.18	-27.02	-0.73	-7.03	0.40
9	108	253.64	Arenado, Nolan		COL	3B	111		405	47	115	51	22	58	0.285	11	2	76	26	2	1	11	1	42.67	51.00	1.67	47.45	10.75	76.03	52.76	7.14	-29.01	-1.49	-5.67	0.34
10	120	243.96	Kendrick, Howie		LAA	2B	117		418	47	120	51	20	80	0.286	9	7	86	21	3	3	11	6	37.76	50.75	6.93	46.91	10.06	86.35	41.40	9.48	-39.81	-3.41	-5.35	2.92
11	126	241.09	Perez, Salvador		KC	C	106		372	43	108	52	18	43	0.290	11	0	75	20	2	0	14	2	45.33	51.71	0.02	43.01	8.89	74.86	39.72	5.63	-21.60	-0.49	-7.07	1.09
11	128	238.53	Kemp, Matt		LAD	OF	104		372	51	100	50	35	103	0.268	16	11	63	19	1	4	15	3	64.69	50.41	10.97	50.87	17.48	62.93	38.73	4.07	-51.26	-4.26	-7.52	1.43
20	230	157.71	Harper, Bryce		WAS	OF	59		204	30	57	34	26	46	0.279	10	5	34	11	2	2	2	2	39.11	33.81	5.36	29.60	13.11	33.87	22.86	5.39	-22.87	-2.15	-1.23	0.84
Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	1B	2B	3B	CS	GDP	HBP	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BBV	1BV	2BV	3BV	KV	CSV	GDPV	HBPV
		3342.70	Avg Stats/Total Values				1331		5,014	692	1,420	628	448	925	0.283	153	88	942	291	33	37	104	51	611.62	627.77	88.07	692.43	224.25	942.08	582.68	100.26	-462.61	-37.24	-52.14	25.54
		2864.13	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				1157		4,375	593	1,250	524	381	738	0.286	114	80	850	255	31	34	99	41	456.61	523.72	79.65	593.41	190.31	849.59	509.77	93.04	-369.03	-33.90	-49.54	20.50

Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	L	QS	CG	HBP	BS	WHIP	IPV	WV	SVV	ERV	SOV	LV	BBV	QSV	CGV	HBPV	BSV
1	4	430.77	Kershaw, Clayton		LAD	SP	25		171.3	137	56	52	44	173	12	2.71	13	0	5	18	2	0	0	1.06	256.97	76.33	0.00	-51.52	173.22	-27.95	-21.89	18.27	7.34	0.00	0.00
1	8	397.42	Bumgarner, Madison		SF	SP	26		168.0	141	62	57	47	164	15	3.04	12	0	6	18	2	0	0	1.12	251.98	73.82	0.00	-56.67	163.51	-34.73	-23.33	17.96	4.88	0.00	0.00
2	22	354.81	Kimbrel, Craig		ATL	RP	59		57.9	34	11	10	18	90	3	1.63	3	35	3	0	0	0	5	0.91	86.88	19.11	209.23	-10.48	90.16	-19.93	-9.20	0.00	0.00	0.00	-10.95
2	24	353.63	Minor, Mike		ATL	SP	25		158.8	145	66	60	42	141	17	3.42	12	0	6	16	1	0	0	1.18	238.24	70.79	0.00	-60.31	141.18	-35.10	-21.18	16.34	3.67	0.00	0.00
3	28	346.17	Cole, Gerrit		PIT	SP	25		157.6	143	63	58	51	142	14	3.32	11	0	6	17	1	0	0	1.23	236.43	67.93	0.00	-58.08	142.39	-37.15	-25.57	16.58	3.64	0.00	0.00
3	33	338.28	Kennedy, Ian		SD	SP	26		162.8	156	73	67	53	149	19	3.69	11	0	7	16	1	0	0	1.28	244.23	63.88	0.00	-66.81	148.71	-44.66	-26.59	15.77	3.76	0.00	0.00
3	35	337.22	Fister, Doug		WAS	SP	25		155.2	159	60	56	34	119	13	3.22	12	0	5	17	1	0	0	1.24	232.82	70.55	0.00	-55.58	119.00	-32.93	-16.82	16.60	3.58	0.00	0.00
4	48	313.79	Porcello, Rick		DET	SP	27		158.3	165	70	64	39	117	16	3.66	11	0	7	16	1	0	0	1.28	237.45	68.24	0.00	-64.41	116.61	-44.45	-19.35	16.48	3.22	0.00	0.00
5	53	308.14	Kluber, Corey		CLE	SP	23		137.9	147	54	50	32	126	14	3.25	10	0	6	16	1	0	0	1.30	206.82	60.64	0.00	-49.80	125.63	-37.51	-16.09	15.66	2.80	0.00	0.00
7	74	279.60	Salazar, Danny		CLE	SP	21		121.2	107	50	46	40	130	14	3.41	9	0	6	14	1	0	0	1.22	181.79	52.96	0.00	-45.87	129.68	-34.80	-20.20	13.54	2.51	0.00	0.00
7	81	273.68	Stroman, Marcus		TOR	SP	22		132.0	126	61	56	44	120	16	3.84	9	0	6	13	1	0	0	1.29	197.96	55.26	0.00	-56.30	120.24	-37.12	-22.00	13.00	2.64	0.00	0.00
11	129	227.07	Soria, Joakim		TEX	RP	53		51.7	46	22	20	20	54	5	3.52	3	22	3	0	0	0	5	1.28	77.48	20.39	132.84	-20.19	53.55	-17.82	-9.87	0.00	0.00	0.00	-9.30
Round	Rank	Value	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	L	QS	CG	HBP	BS	WHIP	IPV	WV	SVV	ERV	SOV	LV	BBV	QSV	CGV	HBPV	BSV
		3960.59	Avg Stats/Total Values				356		1,632.7	1,506	648	596	464	1,524	158	3.29	117	57	67	160	13	0	10	1.21	2449.05	699.89	342.07	-596.03	1523.86	-404.15	-232.08	160.19	38.05	0.00	-20.25
		2331.17	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				240		915.1	830	366	337	270	856	89	3.31	64	57	39	83	6	0	10	1.20	1372.69	384.15	342.07	-336.96	856.10	-233.84	-135.09	83.13	19.17	0.00	-20.25

His team:

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	CompV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	1B	2B	3B	CS	GDP	HBP	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BBV	1BV	2BV	3BV	KV	CSV	GDPV	HBPV
		3	10	357.03	75.00	Votto, Joey			CIN	1B	125		4/30	446	85	131	57	100	101	0.293	19	5	83	27	2	3	13	5	76.01	56.98	4.98	84.96	49.82	83.34	53.03	5.25	-50.50	-2.56	-6.62	2.35
		4	19	343.97	86.50	Freeman, Freddie			ATL	1B	121		4/23	457	73	137	66	56	98	0.300	21	1	88	27	1	1	13	6	82.67	66.29	1.30	73.20	27.89	88.27	53.14	4.36	-49.18	-0.59	-6.60	3.23
		5	24	335.23	67.00	Beltran, Carlos			NYY	OF	119		4/30	462	65	130	75	38	78	0.282	20	2	82	26	2	1	15	1	79.70	74.79	2.14	65.15	18.80	81.60	52.87	6.80	-38.75	-1.05	-7.48	0.67
		8	44	313.25	76.50	Longoria, Evan			TB	3B	121		4/28	440	63	116	70	52	109	0.264	23	2	66	25	2	1	13	4	92.92	69.97	1.64	62.58	25.89	66.46	49.38	4.59	-54.38	-1.45	-6.38	2.04
		9	47	309.27	71.50	Bruce, Jay			CIN	OF	127		4/23	452	61	115	67	52	123	0.254	24	6	62	27	2	2	10	1	96.45	66.79	5.86	61.14	25.76	61.90	54.20	5.13	-61.44	-2.28	-4.93	0.68
		10	56	292.83	74.50	Rollins, Jimmy			PHI	SS	126		4/23	496	65	127	43	52	74	0.256	9	21	88	27	2	5	13	0	36.94	43.25	20.65	64.69	25.87	87.63	54.98	6.99	-37.13	-4.53	-6.72	0.19
		11	59	288.22	77.00	Molina, Yadier			STL	C	110		4/30	405	49	125	63	29	49	0.309	12	4	86	27	0	2	10	3	46.29	63.31	3.59	49.25	14.53	86.50	54.36	0.00	-24.33	-1.85	-4.86	1.43
		12	71	280.99	74.50	Cespedes, Yoenis			OAK	OF	118		4/20	434	54	113	61	34	102	0.260	20	8	69	20	3	5	8	4	80.11	60.77	7.56	53.79	17.21	69.09	40.75	9.25	-50.76	-4.59	-3.97	1.78
		14	84	273.68	106.50	Cruz, Nelson			BAL	OF	113		4/23	400	56	106	56	33	94	0.266	22	5	62	22	0	1	12	3	86.83	55.78	4.52	56.27	16.29	62.50	44.27	0.22	-47.24	-1.35	-5.92	1.51
		17	101	260.80	64.00	Kipnis, Jason			CLE	2B	102		4/29	381	52	105	50	49	83	0.275	10	19	69	23	2	4	7	3	40.46	50.24	19.32	51.63	24.69	69.32	45.86	7.04	-41.62	-3.96	-3.47	1.29
		25	155	216.21	71.50	Peralta, Jhonny			STL	SS	111		4/28	396	44	103	47	34	88	0.260	10	2	68	24	1	2	13	1	38.94	46.61	1.54	44.33	17.04	68.10	48.00	3.52	-43.98	-1.98	-6.36	0.43
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	CompV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	1B	2B	3B	CS	GDP	HBP	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BBV	1BV	2BV	3BV	KV	CSV	GDPV	HBPV
				3271.47	844.50	Avg Stats/Total Values					1294			4,769	667	1,307	655	528	999	0.274	189	73	825	275	18	26	127	31	757.32	654.76	73.09	666.99	263.79	824.71	550.84	53.16	-499.30	-26.20	-63.31	15.61

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	CompV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	L	QS	CG	HBP	BS	WHIP	IPV	WV	SVV	ERV	SOV	LV	BBV	QSV	CGV	HBPV	BSV
		1	7	399.79	99.50	Strasburg, Stephen			WAS	SP	25		4/15	156.4	128	54	50	49	174	14	2.89	12	0	5	18	1	0	0	1.13	234.56	74.68	0.00	-50.13	174.09	-30.41	-24.32	17.91	3.42	0.00	0.00
		3	18	363.09	122.00	Greinke, Zack			LAD	SP	25		4/15	156.4	138	59	54	40	143	14	3.13	12	0	5	17	1	0	0	1.14	234.63	71.52	0.00	-54.47	143.38	-32.76	-19.81	16.99	3.61	0.00	0.00
		7	45	317.25	80.00	Ryu, Hyun-Jin			LAD	SP	23		4/15	149.1	138	61	56	41	119	13	3.37	11	0	6	15	1	0	0	1.20	223.68	64.62	0.00	-55.83	119.30	-33.24	-20.38	15.27	3.83	0.00	0.00
		8	46	316.42	63.50	Rosenthal, Trevor			STL	RP	58		4/15	60.5	48	17	16	19	76	4	2.35	3	31	3	0	0	0	5	1.10	90.78	20.88	184.47	-15.82	76.06	-19.75	-9.41	0.00	0.00	0.00	-10.78
		11	70	285.84	74.50	Ventura, Yordano			KC	SP	25		4/15	145.3	136	68	62	61	131	15	3.85	10	0	8	15	1	0	0	1.35	217.92	59.27	0.00	-62.18	130.75	-47.78	-30.27	15.06	3.06	0.00	0.00
		15	85	271.39	53.00	Smyly, Drew			DET	RP	23		3/3	128.5	123	58	53	41	117	15	3.71	9	0	6	14	1	0	0	1.28	192.80	56.68	0.00	-52.91	117.11	-38.03	-20.71	13.76	2.71	0.00	0.00
		16	91	266.65	63.00	Cingrani, Tony			CIN	SP	20		4/15	114.4	95	48	44	46	130	13	3.48	8	0	5	13	1	0	0	1.23	171.66	50.08	0.00	-44.24	130.08	-32.78	-23.14	12.64	2.37	0.00	0.00
		19	109	249.67	16.00	Harrison, Matt			TEX	SP	22		4/28	139.6	144	68	62	46	96	14	4.00	9	0	7	13	1	0	0	1.35	209.44	53.12	0.00	-62.12	96.19	-39.96	-22.81	12.58	3.22	0.00	0.00
		19	110	249.28	72.00	Skaggs, Tyler			LAA	SP	22		4/15	127.3	122	63	58	48	109	16	4.10	9	0	6	12	1	0	0	1.33	190.93	55.12	0.00	-58.04	108.62	-38.67	-23.76	12.41	2.68	0.00	0.00
		26	139	210.35	64.50	Hutchison, Drew			TOR	SP	20		4/15	106.4	106	52	48	37	89	13	4.03	8	0	6	11	1	0	0	1.34	159.56	49.05	0.00	-47.61	89.35	-35.25	-18.56	11.39	2.41	0.00	0.00
		26	141	208.37	10.00	Bauer, Trevor			CLE	SP	19		4/29	111.6	102	57	52	51	102	14	4.21	7	0	6	10	1	0	0	1.38	167.44	42.36	0.00	-52.24	102.32	-38.47	-25.74	10.39	2.31	0.00	0.00
		29	156	192.48	74.50	Hunter, Tommy			BAL	RP	54		3/3	53.8	53	25	23	10	42	8	3.92	3	17	3	0	0	0	4	1.16	80.66	20.92	101.05	-23.44	42.42	-16.74	-4.93	0.00	0.00	0.00	-7.46
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	CompV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	L	QS	CG	HBP	BS	WHIP	IPV	WV	SVV	ERV	SOV	LV	BBV	QSV	CGV	HBPV	BSV
				3330.58	792.50	Avg Stats/Total Values					336			1,449.4	1,332	629	579	488	1,330	153	3.60	103	48	67	138	10	0	9	1.26	2174.05	618.30	285.53	-579.05	1329.67	-403.84	-243.83	138.40	29.61	0.00	-18.25

The scoring system:
Singles 1 point
Doubles 2 points
Triples 3 points
Walks (Batters) 0.5 points
Caught Stealing -1 point
Hitting for the Cycle 10 points
Ground Into Double Plays -0.5 points
Hit by Pitch 0.5 points
Home Runs 4 points
Strikeouts (Batter) -0.5 points
Runs 1 point
Runs Batted In 1 point
Stolen Bases 1 point

Walks Issued (Pitchers) -0.5 points
Blown Saves -2 points
Complete Games 3 points
Earned Runs -1 point
Hit Batsmen -0.5 points
Innings 1.5 points
Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point
Losses -6 points
No-Hitters 15 points
Perfect Games 20 points
Quality Starts 1 point
Saves 6 points
Wins 6 points

mbuser   5/4/2014 5:51 PM

Not sure why you'd have to throw in a top-tier SP when Carpenter outscored Freeman last season at a premium position. It's a pretty easy reject, unless you ask for someone of Bumgarner's approximate value, but this guy's valuations obviously aren't in the same ballpark.

tomm0  5/4/2014 5:58 PM

Yeah he's thinking Carpenter and Bum for Freeman and Smyly because Freeman is a "stud".  Not happening.  I was thinking maybe if I throw in Alex Gordon and get an OF back from him but even then it's probably not worth it.

tomm0  5/9/2014 10:03 AM

Getting into a heated argument with these guys about the value of Matt Carpenter.  It doesn't seem like they are going to let up, so I'm better off just dropping it and hanging onto him since they aren't evaluating him anywhere close to his projected ROS value.  I guess it is somewhat concerning that his BABIP is .370 despite his .288 average.  I thought he would regress a little from last year since 126 runs would be hard to repeat, but he's already at 27 and the Cardinals offense hasn't even gotten going yet.

tomm0  5/13/2014 10:50 PM

Still talking with this guy and discussing Freeman for Bum and Kendrick.  Freeman might be the best bat I could get for Bumgarner in this league.  Not sure how worth it this is though.

jyang61107  5/14/2014 7:51 AM

Is it possible for you to package Harper with one of his better bats too such as Nelson Cruz?

tomm0  5/14/2014 11:19 AM

Damn now I look like an idiot because I was basing Carpenter on his previous projection before today's update.  I doubt he has any interest in Harper at this time, but I could try Gordon or Melky and try to get someone else back from him.  I like Beltran but his recent injury scares me.