Need steals big time

tomm0  6/15/2013 4:34 PM

Would I be crazy to move Gordon and one of Hamels/Shields/Cain for Ellsbury?  The guy is stealing a base a day at this point.  I am currently 10/12 and 30 behind the leader.  The seems like a big time overpay, but he'd really help me out.  The other option is to drop someone like Willingham for Pierre.  I assume that would be the preferred choice right?

12 Teams | 12 Hitters Per Team $170 Per Team [6 Active = HR RBI SB R BA OPS] | 8 Pitchers Per Team $90 Per Team [6 Active = W SV ERA WHIP SO QS]

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
		1	11	0.97	0.00		Goldschmidt, Paul		ARI	1B	86		323	53	96	53	41	81	0.298	16	10	0.905	1.00	0.98	0.35	0.89	1.07	1.53
		2	15	0.80	0.00		Longoria, Evan		TB	3B	86		315	50	91	57	37	66	0.290	19	2	0.909	1.55	1.36	-0.79	0.54	0.57	1.57
		2	17	0.74	0.00		Gordon, Alex		KC	OF	91		378	59	117	47	37	81	0.308	11	5	0.859	-0.08	0.36	-0.34	1.59	1.96	0.92
		2	20	0.71	0.00		Cespedes, Yoenis		OAK	OF	84		325	49	92	58	29	69	0.282	17	9	0.862	1.16	1.48	0.19	0.46	0.09	0.85
		3	36	0.33	0.00		Ramirez, Hanley		LAD	SS/3B	86		344	54	95	40	39	71	0.277	13	15	0.813	0.39	-0.28	1.05	0.99	-0.22	0.07
		4	39	0.20	0.00		Heyward, Jason		ATL	OF	89		348	56	92	41	45	80	0.265	15	10	0.818	0.74	-0.26	0.39	1.20	-1.01	0.15
		5	57	0.08	0.00		Aoki, Norichika		MIL	OF	86		361	56	106	33	31	25	0.295	7	14	0.778	-1.00	-1.04	0.89	1.22	0.99	-0.56
		6	63	0.01	0.00		Hill, Aaron		ARI	2B	73		277	36	80	47	22	38	0.289	11	7	0.839	-0.07	0.34	-0.08	-0.97	0.45	0.40
		6	68	-0.06	0.00		Willingham, Josh		MIN	OF	86		304	46	75	47	45	86	0.246	18	1	0.844	1.45	0.40	-0.87	0.09	-1.97	0.52
		7	78	-0.17	0.00		de Aza, Alejandro		CHW	OF	89		371	51	102	35	29	88	0.274	9	14	0.763	-0.49	-0.81	0.90	0.67	-0.45	-0.86
		8	87	-0.30	0.00		Castro, Starlin		CHC	SS	92		373	45	105	39	22	58	0.282	7	12	0.740	-0.89	-0.40	0.61	0.04	0.11	-1.30
		10	110	-0.47	0.00		Scutaro, Marco		SF	2B/SS	82		340	47	101	34	25	26	0.298	4	4	0.749	-1.61	-0.95	-0.53	0.18	1.12	-1.02
		12	133	-0.64	0.00		Lucroy, Jonathan		MIL	C	71		262	32	73	37	18	40	0.280	8	3	0.767	-0.66	-0.59	-0.61	-1.42	-0.02	-0.55
		15	169	-0.85	0.00		Rutledge, Josh		COL	SS	70		229	26	63	31	15	44	0.273	7	6	0.778	-0.90	-1.19	-0.18	-2.16	-0.32	-0.36
		16	188	-0.97	0.00		Puig, Yasiel		LAD	OF	52		195	23	52	29	13	40	0.265	8	5	0.786	-0.65	-1.47	-0.41	-2.49	-0.57	-0.22
		16	192	-1.01	0.00		Blanks, Kyle		SD	OF	64		218	28	55	29	22	60	0.251	10	2	0.776	-0.39	-1.43	-0.77	-1.92	-1.21	-0.36
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
				-0.47	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				1289		4,964	710	1,395	657	470	952	0.281	181	116	0.817	-0.45	-3.49	-0.19	-1.08	0.57	1.84
				-0.03	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				961		3,682	526	1,033	497	346	778	0.280	141	91	0.823	0.78	-2.25	0.39	-1.60	-0.01	2.51

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
		1	7	0.83	0.00		Scherzer, Max		DET	SP	19		124.4	110	50	46	38	141	14	3.30	9	0	1.19	13	1.16	-0.49	0.84	0.78	1.80	0.87
		2	14	0.47	0.00		Shields, James		KC	SP	19		132.6	125	57	52	33	124	15	3.54	8	0	1.20	12	0.60	-0.49	0.11	0.64	1.22	0.72
		2	17	0.39	0.00		Hamels, Cole		PHI	SP	19		123.7	116	53	48	33	118	14	3.52	8	0	1.21	12	0.50	-0.49	0.15	0.43	1.03	0.69
		2	24	0.27	0.00		Cain, Matt		SF	SP	19		127.6	121	56	51	37	115	13	3.63	9	0	1.24	12	0.84	-0.49	-0.19	-0.15	0.92	0.72
		5	53	-0.22	0.00		Colon, Bartolo		OAK	SP	15		92.2	97	42	38	11	55	10	3.75	6	0	1.17	9	-0.09	-0.49	-0.42	0.79	-1.10	0.02
		5	57	-0.23	0.00		Porcello, Rick		DET	SP	18		105.2	108	50	46	25	71	11	3.93	8	0	1.26	11	0.63	-0.49	-0.96	-0.38	-0.56	0.39
		6	67	-0.32	0.00		Holland, Greg		KC	RP	35		34.7	26	10	9	15	46	2	2.46	2	20	1.16	0	-1.92	1.96	0.98	0.36	-1.40	-1.94
		9	105	-0.51	0.00		Perkins, Glen		MIN	RP	31		31.3	27	11	10	8	33	2	2.91	2	18	1.13	0	-1.98	1.70	0.53	0.45	-1.85	-1.94
		10	120	-0.63	0.00		Wilhelmsen, Tom		SEA	RP	32		32.0	27	12	11	13	31	2	3.10	2	18	1.25	0	-1.95	1.74	0.38	-0.10	-1.91	-1.94
		16	187	-0.86	0.00		Wheeler, Zack		NYM	SP	15		83.3	78	42	39	42	76	8	4.16	6	0	1.44	8	-0.46	-0.49	-1.27	-2.47	-0.40	-0.07
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	ValueC	Name	Injury	Team	Pos	g	News	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
				-0.82	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values				222		887.1	835	382	351	254	811	91	3.56	60	57	1.23	76	-2.66	1.95	0.16	0.35	-2.24	-2.46
				0.67	0.00	0.00	Avg Stats/Total Values (active)				175		771.8	729	328	301	200	704	81	3.52	53	38	1.20	68	-0.25	0.71	1.04	2.92	0.07	-0.46

Hailfire4   6/15/2013 8:31 PM

I hate trading for steals or saves. 1 category guys just are never worth it. That said Ellsbury is a great trade target in any format. Run it by the Ellsbury owner. I would not go higher in any event. Pierre, leonys, Revere. Ichiro are all decent options u can stream versus weak catchers.

mbuser   6/16/2013 12:21 PM

Yes, that's an overpay. Ellsbury has a terrible OPS, I would be attempting to use that to your advantage in trade discussions. Lots of runs and steals, sure, but what else is there?

tomm0  6/16/2013 8:55 PM

Doesn't seem like Ellsbury is available at all now.  He also has Mclouth who appears to be available and Pierre is still on the wire.  Thinking of dropping Wilhelmson for Pierre or making an offer for Mclouth.  Any thoughts there?

His team:

Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
		1	7	1.25	0.93	Gonzalez, Carlos			COL	OF	81		6/13	311	54	95	53	36	70	0.305	17	13	0.925	1.18	1.08	0.79	1.13	1.47	1.83
		2	10	0.97	0.81	Beltre, Adrian			TEX	3B	84		6/15	319	48	96	67	20	38	0.300	19	0	0.882	1.59	2.48	-1.00	0.39	1.20	1.17
		4	28	0.50	0.19	Upton, Justin			ATL	OF	89		6/14	335	52	93	48	44	91	0.278	16	8	0.848	0.95	0.57	0.17	0.84	-0.16	0.65
		7	47	0.16	-0.16	Ellsbury, Jacoby			BOS	OF	79		6/11	341	48	99	32	26	48	0.291	5	27	0.765	-1.25	-1.11	2.96	0.42	0.69	-0.78
		7	51	0.12	-0.32	Freeman, Freddie			ATL	1B	89		6/14	331	44	93	52	33	76	0.282	13	1	0.823	0.45	0.99	-0.98	-0.04	0.10	0.23
		8	54	0.12	0.40	Napoli, Mike			BOS	C/1B	77		6/11	265	44	70	46	38	85	0.265	17	1	0.880	1.13	0.38	-0.97	-0.01	-0.78	0.95
		13	87	-0.29	0.01	Murphy, Daniel			NYM	2B	82		6/10	337	43	101	36	19	46	0.300	5	5	0.767	-1.29	-0.62	-0.31	-0.09	1.26	-0.72
		14	90	-0.36	-0.80	Berkman, Lance			TEX	1B	70		6/15	249	44	68	36	46	49	0.275	9	1	0.835	-0.58	-0.64	-0.91	-0.07	-0.26	0.32
		16	100	-0.44	-0.14	Kendrick, Howie			LAA	2B	84		6/10	311	34	90	39	17	63	0.290	7	8	0.755	-0.83	-0.39	0.10	-1.21	0.57	-0.86
		19	116	-0.52	-0.84	McLouth, Nate			BAL	OF	69		6/10	266	40	70	28	35	50	0.262	7	16	0.765	-0.85	-1.51	1.23	-0.47	-0.94	-0.60
		21	131	-0.64	-0.95	Granderson, Curtis			NYY	OF	59		6/14	196	31	48	29	26	58	0.247	13	3	0.848	0.39	-1.32	-0.55	-1.49	-1.26	0.39
		25	147	-0.73	-1.04	Span, Denard			WAS	OF	86		6/13	364	50	100	26	33	44	0.275	3	11	0.717	-1.84	-1.66	0.50	0.71	-0.38	-1.71
		46	218	-1.21	-0.87	Escobar, Yunel			TB	SS	80		5/28	245	31	65	27	27	31	0.265	4	2	0.710	-1.48	-1.56	-0.77	-1.48	-0.72	-1.24
		63	247	-1.38	-1.05	Crawford, Brandon			SF	SS	86		6/10	273	27	70	32	24	58	0.255	5	2	0.693	-1.45	-1.11	-0.84	-1.97	-1.33	-1.61
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	AB	R	H	RBI	BB	K	BA	HR	SB	OPS	HRV	RBIV	SBV	RV	BAV	OPSV
				-2.41	-3.84	Avg Stats/Total Values					1115			4,143	590	1,159	551	421	807	0.280	140	97	0.801	-3.88	-4.43	-0.58	-3.34	-0.54	-1.72

Pitchers

	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
		3	12	0.60	0.12	Harvey, Matt			NYM	SP	18		6/16	122.8	108	48	44	42	127	10	3.24	8	0	1.22	12	0.55	-0.48	1.07	0.17	1.42	0.83
		6	27	0.25	-0.23	Weaver, Jered			LAA	SP	18		6/2	122.9	119	54	49	30	100	12	3.62	8	0	1.22	11	0.75	-0.48	-0.15	0.27	0.47	0.63
		10	43	-0.06	-0.54	Masterson, Justin			CLE	SP	19		6/8	119.6	111	53	49	47	106	10	3.68	8	0	1.31	11	0.52	-0.48	-0.34	-1.41	0.70	0.62
		12	58	-0.23	-0.71	Wilson, C.J.			LAA	SP	18		6/2	115.6	108	54	49	48	105	11	3.85	8	0	1.34	11	0.60	-0.48	-0.82	-1.85	0.66	0.50
		17	91	-0.47	0.00	Rivera, Mariano			NYY	RP	33		6/15	32.8	29	11	10	7	31	2	2.85	2	19	1.11	0	-1.99	1.90	0.61	0.59	-1.95	-2.00
		19	108	-0.54	-0.07	Street, Huston			SD	RP	34		6/14	34.0	32	14	13	8	35	4	3.40	2	19	1.15	0	-1.93	1.95	0.15	0.38	-1.82	-2.00
		20	112	-0.57	-1.05	Rodriguez, Wandy			PIT	SP	18		6/15	103.5	105	52	48	32	79	13	4.18	7	0	1.33	10	0.12	-0.48	-1.62	-1.42	-0.25	0.20
		23	137	-0.70	-1.18	Norris, Bud			HOU	SP	17		6/14	104.3	101	52	48	41	92	12	4.17	6	0	1.37	10	-0.43	-0.48	-1.61	-2.04	0.18	0.19
		24	139	-0.71	-1.19	de la Rosa, Jorge			COL	SP	14		6/7	85.9	85	43	39	32	65	9	4.11	7	0	1.37	8	0.04	-0.48	-1.19	-1.69	-0.76	-0.16
		33	207	-0.95	-0.47	League, Brandon			LAD	RP	36		6/12	36.1	34	15	14	12	29	2	3.42	3	3	1.25	0	-1.64	-0.07	0.14	-0.12	-2.03	-2.00
		45	322	-1.20	-0.72	Gregg, Kevin			CHC	RP	32		6/1	31.7	30	17	15	17	29	3	4.35	2	9	1.49	0	-1.99	0.62	-0.64	-1.17	-2.01	-2.00
		69	578	-1.42	-1.90	Marquis, Jason			SD	SP	17		6/14	96.2	104	57	52	36	62	14	4.91	6	0	1.46	7	-0.36	-0.48	-3.33	-3.20	-0.86	-0.30
	Own	Round	Rank	Value	PosV	Name	Injury	Status	Team	Pos	g	News	Date	IP	H	RA	ER	BB	SO	HR	ERA	W	SV	WHIP	QS	WV	SVV	ERAV	WHIPV	SOV	QSV
				-6.02	-7.93	Avg Stats/Total Values					274			1,005.2	965	470	432	352	860	103	3.87	65	50	1.31	80	-5.76	0.59	-7.72	-11.48	-6.26	-5.48

mbuser   6/16/2013 11:56 PM

Past 28 games for McLouth: .681 OPS, 1 HR, 3 RBI. Pierre on the season: .620 OPS, 1 HR, 6 RBI. These are guys that will drag you down elsewhere while helping your SB, just keep that in mind. I realize that Wilhelmsen isn't much more than a single-cat guy himself, but I've got more faith in him getting the closing gig back than a guy like Pierre staying particularly useful. As for McLouth, the steals are still coming...

tomm0  6/17/2013 6:14 AM

So should I just hope my guys start stealing more and stay put?  It's the only category I'm significantly behind in.

mbuser   6/17/2013 11:03 AM

Obviously it's hard to win a roto league when you are particularly deficient in one particular category, but just be aware of the potential losses to other categories that can be self-inflicted by chasing steals. From your original post: Willingham hasn't been very good, that would be preferable to dropping Wilhelmson for me.

liam4  6/19/2013 9:26 PM

I think your guys will start stealing bases and perform to projection, but that's not much consolation until they do.  My thought - try to make a couple moves that each help add steals, no need to fix it in one fell swoop unless the price is right.

it's a hard category to address because many guys who steal bases either hurt you in other categories (like Pierre) or are way overvalued (Bourn, mccutchen, wright).  Crisp, aoki (who you already have) and others can be undervalued, and look for emerging rookies who hit both hr and steal bases... Puig, who you grabbed, has been ridiculous but the speed has always been there.  Ellsbury and even better Mike Trout would be my big trade candidates.

Hailfire4   6/19/2013 11:26 PM

EY has a new team now. Maybe give him a spin.

tomm0  6/21/2013 1:50 PM

Leaning towards Shields/Hamels and Heyward for Wright offer, although Heyward has the potential to steal more than Wright does.  Obviously they're way off right now though.